It blows my mind that Native Africans are never held responsible for the slave trade.

submitted by radicalcentristNational Centrism from self.debatealtright

I know this sounds like beating a dead horse, but I felt like reopening this discussion after reading a thread where several black users were mad that Will Smith didn't want to star in a slavery movie that was about killing white people. Some of their responses are as follows:

https://www.resetera.com/threads/will-smith-on-declining-django-unchained-it-had-to-be-a-love-story-not-a-vengeance-story.492522/

I dunno man... I get that eye for an eye is ideal but the lack of punitive retaliation against slavery is part of why the era is romanticized by so many people in this country. The revenge in Django was a nice fuck you to that attitude

Jaime Foxx was perfect though. Also, Django isn't really a revenge story. And the power Django truly learns is not shooting, but how to lie so he can operate in the white man's world and manipulate them through their own greed.

I can fully see Will trying to have a serious conversation about the context of the movie as a black person and Quentin got into his feelings. And Will just said "Ok do you". We saw how he reacted with Bruce Lee

Blacks somehow feel a huge sense of reward about a movie where only the Elite Whites connected to slavery are punished, but we never hear a peep about the actual Africans who went around capturing their own brothers and sisters and selling them off to the highest bidder that wanted to take them.

I remember even Dave Chappelle fell into the same trap. He made a sketch about Black people going back in time, but instead of stopping in Africa (where the trade first happened), it's a plantation and he shoots a white slave driver.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfotBMdSj2g

In a lot of ways, there's an argument that Europeans where actually innocent in this process. Slavery back then was a business deal, and none of the African Kings even offered to take back their property they sold off. They could have built ships with the money they received and sailed to the Americas to reclaim their people, but they never did that. But all the hatred and guilt we see in the media is only directed at White people, even though Africans still practice slavery today.

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[–][deleted] 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

This is probably going to piss people here off, but here goes.

It's dismissed because of solidarity. They still have a kinship that outranks bad deeds. On observation, it's very similar to the kinship that WN crave. Anyone not of tippity top stock recall reading how poorly lower classes of whites were treated by their betters (well.. now, even-- but mostly I'm referring to early 20th century and before)? It's that same level of dismissal, I would assume.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Hmmm, even in that comparison, how come we don't see the same level of kinship among Asians?

For example, Japan's imperial conquests during WW2 also lead to a lot of slaves being taken from China, Korea, Philippines and so forth. And while Asians may have gotten over it now, Japan still had to pay atonement for it. Heck, there's even still controversy flying the WW2 Japanese flag in these countries.

Meanwhile, Black Americans have made no such demands for reparations from African traders. They also still fly and use the pan-african colors, even though ironically, it was Africans who kicked them out of their own continent first.

It's like history books completely erased Africa's involvement. The media tells us that out of the blue, ships just started dropping Africans off in the new world. But they never tell us WHO started packing those ships first, or WHO even arranged for the millions of Africans to actually board them instead of being told to stay home? Europeans couldn't have done that by themselves, unless they were mega geniuses and convinced a whole race to leave a continent using nothing but willpower.

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That's exactly why we don't see the same level of kinship among Asians. Within their own racial subgroups, they understand that there's not necessarily an automatic alliance simply because they come from the same continent. That's like comparing Eastern Europeans (whoops, I meant Hungarians. I hadn't eaten yet, dinner was ready and I rushed through my comment to start eating) to wanting to ally with Romanians, simply because they share a space. There's bad blood there.

[–]thefirststoneThat's my purse! I don't know you! 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

No, it isn't. It's dismissed out of guilt.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Out of guilt for what? I'm talking more along the lines of some former slaves within the US moving into the slave trade themselves being dismissed, less African traders. I could see guilt playing a factor there, is that what you mean?

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

black people have kinship but also we see them killing themselves in places like chicago all the time. The kinship is there but not absolute. They don't criticize those african slave traders hundreds of years ago just like they don't criticize chicago gang members that murder. Maybe they shouldn't because that just sets the movement backwards. Should white people criticize every bad white person. Or just explain that it's a few bad apples so why focus on it?

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Should white people criticize every bad white person. Or just explain that it's a few bad apples so why focus on it?

White people are smart enough to create a justice and legal system, that assumes these discussions by default. However, even in the exceptional times where a bad white person flies under the radar, I wouldn't treat that as a good thing.

Case and point, George Bush II. His administration caused a great deal of harm, especially his blatant lying of invading Iraq, which got thousands of Americans dead, and made the Middle East even more chaotic. Yet, the media today is willingly to portray him as some kind of loveable oaf instead of the war criminal that he is.

The only positive take away is that none of Bush's presidential successors have actually tried to emulate him. However, imagine if no one was allowed to criticize Bush's legacy? Surely another person would then try to copy him, leading us down a path of more sorrow?

Blacks are absolutely stupid for not going after Chicago Gang Members or the African slave traders because it shows they are unable to police themselves, which is a basic requirement of creating civilization. But on top of that, they take their anger out on Whites as a means of scapegoating personal failure, when plenty of other black people they surround themselves with are the real source of their problems.

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Sometimes I do see some black people trying to criticize violence in their community. They exist but aren't mentioned much on MSM for obvious reasons. Some people criticized W Bush then and now but aren't allowed on TV much. Because they would be criticizing him based on sending us into illegal war. Now we have plenty on TV criticizing Trump while he was president and now. Why is that, both are white men, but they are criticizing Trump based on BS reasons. He didn't lie us into war so can't criticize him based on that. Have to call him racist or a nazi despite facts showing the opposite. I would criticize Trump based on not building the wall or raising taxes but no one will be allowed on TV if they are saying that. Anyways my point is the MSM controls this narrative. We're discussing it on this site but would not be allowed to on other sites like reddit, same reason.

[–]TrabWhite Nationalist 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Africans around the world are treated as not responsible for themselves or their own actions. Like children really. African nation is bad? Must be the fault of whitey. African robs and kills someone? His ancestor was a slave that's why

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

but we never hear a peep about the actual Africans who went around capturing their own brothers and sisters and selling them off to the highest bidder that wanted to take them

Or the Jewish ownership of the shipping companies and trading houses.

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Judah Benjamin was the real ruler of the Confederacy

[–]proc0 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah it's illogical obviously. One explanation is that because it got captured by marxists ideologies, the whole SJW movement only focuses on race. Then this movement is used by black people to blame their personal problems on society at large, so it's never really about finding out the truth of the matter, and instead it's about pushing this ideology like a religion, which has its own mythos of white people being the ultimate evil.

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    [–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

    The only people that should be blamed for slavery are slaves. No noble and honorable race would live under such conditions. I have no sympathy for such people. Slavery emerged as a negotiation after war. Slavery was an alternative to genocide offered to the losing side. This led to the world being filled with two types of groups: people that would not submit to slavery and people that would. Most Africans are the way they are for a lot of reasons but one of them is that their ancestors were too willing to submit themselves to slavery after losing. If whites continue to submit to financial slavery (which is gradually becoming real slavery) then they will be 100% morally responsible for their new status. I'm glad I won't be around to witness such a thing.

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    yeah only the low IQ would let themselves be taken. Not that africa is full of geniuses but the people there years later are smarter than african americans at least. Obama's dad came from kenya, he was a college graduate, smart enough to come to america and fuck hot white women anyway. Then he left. Obama is smarter than most african americans because his dad was a real african. So he was wise enough to play the game and get pretty rich. The only other black people in america to get rich are rappers and athletes.

    [–]SoylentCapitalist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    African-Americans have a higher average IQ than Africans.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    doubt that

    [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    No, he's right. When African slaves came to the new world, there was a lot of race mixing, and thus very few "pure" American-Africans actually exist. A lot of them have European DNA in them, same with the Hispanics.

    Actual Africans who never left the continent have IQ's as low as 54, whereas Black Americans are 85 on average.

    For further proof of this, look at the African country of Liberia. It was founded by former U.S slaves and the first few Presidents were heavily biracial. But as soon as the leadership changed hands and Native Africans took control, it literally became the most poorest and dangerous country on Earth.

    [–]goonmessiahI like toast 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    As shitty as slavery in the US was for the people brought to the US to be slaves and the next generations until slavery and later segregation ended, the lives of most of their descendants currently alive is better in the US than it would have been if they had never left Africa.

    [–]SerpensInferna 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I think it comes down to education and tribalism. Take your average American of any race and their history education (which is abysmal), then take your average black American, their general subpar education and lower IQ. What information they do get from "African-American studies" is highly biased towards victimhood and CRT. Tribalism takes care of the rest - it's just nature to gravitate towards those who are most like yourself.

    I grew up in a predominantly black school system. It was awful, but that's besides the point. The black kids actively hated and were encouraged to hate white people. Slavery isn't really their concern, which is why we hear crickets about actual real slavery still happening today. Black well-being isn't even their concern, or else we would see a lot more talking and action about the regular mass slaughter happening in Chicago, for example. It's about vengeance and hurting whites because they feel it's their right to do so. And so, it's generally inconvenient to focus on the Africans that started the slave trade to begin with.

    [–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    First of all I don't want Blacks taking on self-hating narratives any more than I want Whites to. This is a typical conservative argument where they think if they just throw enough facts around they can dismantle a carefully constructed narrative of Black grievance. Never going to work and would you want it to? I don't want to pass the poison of neuroticism, self-criticism and self-hatred to other groups. I don't want to teach the world to be liberal and educate Arabs about transgender theory.

    We want a positive narrative of White self-assertion that can lead to positive outcomes for our people not a critical narrative of Black history so we can pass on that disease. Making Blacks aware of their role in the slave trade won't stop White self-hatred and it won't do anything to counter the Jews and elite Whites who spoon feed them these narratives from their dominant positions in the means of informational production.

    [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Making Blacks aware of their role in the slave trade won't stop White self-hatred and it won't do anything to counter the Jews and elite Whites who spoon feed them these narratives from their dominant positions in the means of informational production.

    I have to disagree. Black ignorance of the slave trade is what continues to fuel hatred of Whites, because they believe in a false narrative that how they ended up in America was never their fault, and that White success was always because they had black labor to borrow from.

    The last sentence is actually very crucial. I would argue that Africans sold Blacks because their civilizations were just that primitive. They had no real economy to speak of, whereas Whites could have ignored Africa and nothing about their own countries in Europe would have changed.

    None of this relates to self-hate. It's merely about teaching facts and correcting the record on popular media myths. For example, look at IQ differences between Asians & White. Does accepting higher Asian IQ make Whites look less impressive? No. Now apply this reasoning to everything else.

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      [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Title mentions Native Americans

      No, it says Native Africans.

      Not innocent.

      As far as I'm aware, international laws condemning slavery did not exist back then. Individual countries back then may have had their own decree, but ironically, it was only White countries who actually abolished or opposed slavery in general. Britain for example, used its navy to patrol the Atlantic ocean to enforce the ban on importing new slaves. No African nation ever did such.

      There was no movement, need or trans-Atlantic naval tradition for many of these Africans to 'reclaim their people'.

      By keeping the slaves in America, it lead to hundreds of years of racial violence that STILL exists to this day. In fact, by saying Native Africans had no obligations to reclaim their property, you are morally fine with watching White people suffer, since stuff like the George Floyd riots or the Haiti massacre only existed because the slaves didn't go back when they had the chance.

      I don't see hatred and guilt in the news media. I see some of the news media pandering to social pressure to increase diversity in their staff and stories. It's not so bad, even if I disagree that 10% or 20% or 30% of minority portions of a social group should be 50% of the face of a news media company. My view is that miniroties should be proportionally represented in all jobs IF they are superior professional candidates, but shouldn't be overrepresented at the expense of whites.

      The media is teaching kids in schools right now, that only the White race are evil because they were born with "white privilege". Also, White people are disproportionally paying taxes for welfare and affirmative action programs that hurt their race, while benefitting non-whites more.

      This is a bias, and a moral injustice that Africans in Africa should be taking the blame for instead. In fact, why haven't they paid the damages caused by their slave trade? They should pay to reimburse the owners that took slaves and ruining their countries in the new world.

      [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      There are always scumbag sellouts. Jewish kapos. Vichy regime. Benedict Arnold. Jesse Jackson sold out Martin Luther King and was an informant. Alt right guys, your movement is filled with sellout agents.