A study from the New England Journal of Medicine shows that 8/10 pregnant women suffer miscarriages from the vaccine

submitted by casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter from self.debatealtright

https://www.eviemagazine.com/post/study-miscarriage-rate-covid-vaccine

This isn't some random site you get from searching on Bing. The New England Journal of Medicine is arguably the most prestigious medical journal in the world.

The jab will flatten the curve alright...on your belly.

If you can get pregnant, you are probably a person below 42. At that age, your chance of dying from covid is less than.1%

They just sacrificed their offspring's lives for nothing.

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[–]shilldetector 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (28 children)

Stop talking about replacement, talk about the vaccine goy!

[–]Wrangel 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

The radical right in 2016 was taking about demographics, free trade deals and forever wars.

The radical right in 2021 is taking about vaccines cause autism, 5G gives brain cancer and the world is run by satanist pedophile cults.

Well played JIDF, well played. Conspiracy nuttery is their best tactic against actual radical critique of the system.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Excellent points.

Moreover, the writer of this article (at this propaganda website) changes the New England Journal of Medicine results by removing 700 participants, with the help of a false argument:

So to more precisely calculate the miscarriage rate, we have to remember that miscarriages, by definition, occur before the 20-week gestation mark. This means that all 700 women who received the vaccine in the third trimester must be excluded from the calculation because they were already past being able to have a technical miscarriage.

(Miscarriages absolutely do not have to occur only within that early period. They can occur throughout pregnancy. Moreover, miscarriages are rather common. So the typical anti-vax lie here is that anyone with prooblems, who has also been vaccinated, owe those problems to the vaccine. Anti-vaxxers don't want to think about the fact - in 99.99% of the cases - that there is no correlation or causation that links the vaccine to the problem.)

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Have you taken your shot yet socks? How many boosters? How often are you willing to go in for state mandated shot before you think there's an overreach?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Should I worry about a couple of shots and eventually a booster? Aren't we already familiar with some of these simple shots we took when were were children or when travelling to developing countries? For example, shots for:

Chickenpox (Varicella)

Diphtheria-Tetanus-Pertussis

Flu (influenza)

Measles-Mumps-Rubella (MMR)

Polio

Shingles

Cholera

Hepatitis A

Hepatitis B

Japanese Encephalitis

Malaria

Measles

Rabies

Typhoid

Yellow Fever

Most importantly, those who don't want to help with the spread of these illnesses will take the shots. It's what we do to look after one another. What I would want is much less important in this context. Am I pissed that Big Pharma is making a profit? Yes, but the shots are free in many countries, and there is so much more that should worry us about Big Pharma than the vaccine (which helps reduce the spread and danger of COVID19 to ourselves and others). Will my balls fall off? They've not yet. How does it feel to be be injected with a microscopic tracking device? No different than using an iPhone. Is this govenment overreach? No - as it helps people. The government overreach you want to consider is how much politicians have voted for their own tax cuts whilst making you and me pay for the trillions in loans from China. A fair tax for everyone should be what we're talking about, if we want to address overreach.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Should I worry about a couple of shots and eventually a booster?

You're dodging my question. How many boosters and how frequently? What's your breaking point? If you trust the establishment science then your answer should be that there are no limits. I think you know you've already lost the debate here because the populace becomes essentially enslaved if the government has the legal right to put a needle in your arm at anytime. You don't think that power is going to be abused? The effectiveness and safety of past shots or current shots doesn't even need to come into the debate (although it's obvious that the standards of past vaccines and the current covid gene therapy shots are drastically different; you're just arguing in bad faith if you say otherwise).

those who don't want to help with the spread of these illnesses will take the shots.

Not sure what you mean by this.

It's what we do to look after one another.

You live in an empire not a nation and it's run by people that burn with hatred towards you. You don't live in a happy ethnostate with malevolent, accountable, wise, moral leadership. If you don't internalize that soon it will cost you your life. You have been duped to take advantage of your compassion and sense of sacrifice for your community. That's a good impulse when used properly and an incredibly dangerous one when hijacked.

(which helps reduce the spread and danger of COVID19 to ourselves and others)

Source on covids lethality and source on the gene therapies effectiveness at reducing spread. Israel literally shows the opposite of what you are claiming.

Will my balls fall off? They've not yet.

People that oppose the gene therapy don't oppose it because they read some tweet about their balls falling off. Stop using lazy rhetorical tactics.

How does it feel to be be injected with a microscopic tracking device? No different than using an iPhone.

Lol. Not the same at all.

Is this govenment overreach? No - as it helps people.

Do you really believe the current government wants to help people?

The government overreach you want to consider is how much politicians have voted for their own tax cuts whilst making you and me pay for the trillions in loans from China.

Didn't you just say the government is our friend and wants to help us?

A fair tax for everyone should be what we're talking about, if we want to address overreach.

Not sure what taxation has to do with the gene therapy mandates. You're getting off topic.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks for the thoughtful response, but I did indeed address your question about overreach. If you want to know about the number of booster shots, we'll have to see in due course what's recommended. As with other vaccines over the past few decades, the need for a booster shot drops when the spread of the virus drops. It's doubtful anyone will require more than a booster or two in the next year, and perhaps nothing thereafter. You mention that I lost a debate, but that's not at issue here. I answered your questions. Take it or leave it. Do people abuse power? Yes. Does this apply to everything, or to the vaccine? No, not necessarily. It doesn't help to oversimplify one's arguments. Did I argue in "bad faith"? This makes no sense.

[–]YJaewedwqewqClerical Fascist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

the world is run by satanist pedophile cults

If you don't believe this then how can you say you believe the JQ? These two things are practically synonymous.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't think he does.

[–]shilldetector 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They did something similar to the radical left. Prior to 2016 they were talking about oligarchs, neocon wars, Israel, wallstreet and income disparity. Now they're talking about "systemic racism", white privilege, the latest black man who died while fighting cops, and the "right" of a man who calls himself a woman to use women's bathrooms.

[–]Salos60000Pragmatic European Nationalism 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah lets just scapegoat JIDF any chance we get, can't have anything to do with the libertarian mentality the mainstream right has that a lot of the radical right has retained.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Does the FBI pay you in cash or cheque?

[–]shilldetector 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Does the FBI pay you in cash or cheque?

They'd never pay enough to read your shitposts.

At first I thought my boss Merrick Garfinkle was crazy when he wanted me to shill for a vaccine poison thats being taken by Israelis and Jewish elites more than anyone else, but then I realized he's probably just playing 5d chess and trying to stay 10 steps ahead of Q.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

They are both attacks on white people. Vaccines probably even more so than replacement immigration. Not sure what your point is.

In fact every institution that could stand up to replacement immigration in any meaningful way is totally jewed beyond belief. We have no institutional representation. We have to be honest about that. The alt right needs to seriously re strategize how we approach this topic. We've been saying the same message for 30 years and it just gets worse.

The anti vax crowd on the other hand cuts across lots of groups and has representatives in major institutions that are starting to blow the whistle. We should support these groups because if they realize the lies about vaccines they might realize other lies...

[–]shilldetector 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

They are both attacks on white people.

How are vaccines an attack on white people? You could argue the lockdowns were, because they caused actual economic damage to working class people and small business owners, but the supposed damage caused by vaccines is completely hypothetical, and as we continually point out, would damage the elite the most if in fact they actually were more harmful than covid itself.

The alt right needs to seriously re strategize how we approach this topic. We've been saying the same message for 30 years and it just gets worse.

It has only gotten worse since 2016, and that's only because of Jewish censorship, deplatforming and now legislating, and even then it's arguable if the actual opinion part of things is getting worse, since Jews have completely shut off contrary opinions from being publicly displayed. Despite all this I was only red pilled on these things within the last couple years, which shows that the problem is so obvious that it doesn't even need to be publicly discussed for people to see it these days. I was near completely oblivious to these issues during the height of the alt right. It was the later censorship and antifa/blm clown show that made me take a closer look, and I know for a fact I'm far from the only one.

The anti vax crowd cuts across lots of groups and has representatives in major institutions that are starting to blow the whistle. We should support these groups because if they realize the lies about vaccines they might realize other lies...

It has representatives in major institutions precisely because it's a bullshit distraction issue that is used to divide and delegitimize dissent and channel it into an area that is harmless to the elite and potentially harmful to the people who get sucked into it.

We should support these groups because if they realize the lies about vaccines they might realize other lies...

But that's assuming the vaccines are a lie. They might not be as effective as hoped, they might even come with some nasty side effects, but that's different from peddling the notion that they are part of some poorly thought out illogical conspiracy that keeps changing as each new conspiracy claim is proven wrong or discredited by events. For instance Casparan's claim that the vaccines cause a massive increase in miscarriages. Well guess what, that conspiracy claim will be completely discredited within months(if not already) for the obvious reason you cant hide a worldwide 400% increase in miscarriages. It's all so stupid.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

How are vaccines an attack on white people?

Because the vaccines are a front for a control grid passport system in the west. The west is where white people live. Soon whites white will not only be marked as lepers to be exterminated but they will literally have no mechanism to defend themselves. (The control grid's primary purpose is controlling white resistance to NWO power).

You could argue the lockdowns were, because they caused actual economic damage to working class people and small business owners,

The lock downs and economic fallout as a result are nothing compared to where we are going. They want everything. They want our property rights. They want our bodily autonomy. They want the entire white populace on a cashless social credit system society controlled by Jews. Have you not been reading the build back better threads we've been having?

but the supposed damage caused by vaccines is completely hypothetical

Extreme predictions about billions dying are of course hypothetical but maiming, death, damage, and sterilization are not hypothetical at all. You're literally in a thread discussing a paper that has provided the evidence that you say is hypothetical. We have totally abnormal rates of blood clots, strokes, and heart enlargement and the list goes on. In the past we studied vaccines for 7-10 years before they were released to the public and we pulled vaccines with less than 60 deaths! And those vaccines were for far more dangerous viruses. How can you possibly say that the damage caused by the gene therapy masquerading as a vaccine is 'hypothetical' when we also have VAERS which is chronically under reported?

and as we continually point out, would damage the elite the most if in fact they actually were more harmful than covid itself.

How does a failed gene therapy that kills, or maims or sterilizes a 500k or more serfs 'damaging' to the elites? They constantly shorten the lifespan and kill plebs. It's part of the power game to harvest blood and treasure from a populace that they have been born and bred to dehumanize and exploit. They didn't care when they caused wars and depressions in the past. Why would a dangerous gene therapy and mandates hurt them? The people they genuinely care about are a VERY small circle. Were talking thousands not millions. Maybe even Hundreds. Are you talking about Jews possibly dying? Jews are manipulated and used by elites as well. Elites aren't afraid to kill Jews either. These fuckers play for keeps and Jews are born and raised to be victims so that they too can be milked and exploited. Just because Jews are the shock troopers doesn't mean they aren't expendable.

I was near completely oblivious to these issues during the height of the alt right

I also came into the movement at the tail end of the alt right peak. However, you can still look back at the history of white nationalism and paleo conservatism and see that they've been attempting to meme white genocide into the normie consciousness for a LONG ass time. None of these strategies have stopped the flood of mud. We have to be real about that. Having more people aware that they are drowning does not stop the flow of water. Leadership, action, and strategy is of critical importance.

It has representatives in major institutions precisely because it's a bullshit distraction issue that is used to divide and delegitimize dissent and channel it into an area that is harmless to the elite and potentially harmful to the people who get sucked into it.

There is no more effective weapon against dissidents then being able to effectively shut them out of society with the push of a button. That's what this control grid is going to do and that's what this manufactured pandemic is all about. The injuries from the fake vax are just a bonus for elites that don't give a fuck about any of us of any color or creed. I haven't ruled out a Merrick's or Prion attack in the shot or boosters either. That's a VERY real possibility. Can't you see this isn't a distraction from immigration it's just another vector of attack. It's part of a long running coordinated attack.

But that's assuming the vaccines are a lie.

Why is this so hard for you to grasp? Please listen to some David Icke. Problem reaction solution. The 'solution' they want is a control grid. The problem is 'deadly disease' (real or fake it doesn't matter). The reaction is mandates, lockdowns, masks, and regular state sponsored needles in the arm (deadly or safe it doesn't matter).

but that's different from peddling the notion that they are part of some poorly thought out illogical conspiracy that keeps changing as each new conspiracy claim is proven wrong or discredited by events.

That's a strawman. The conspiracy space is littered with wacky ideas for two reasons: one the elites pay shills to pump out outrageous conspiracies to dilute the real thing (control grid and long term population reduction/especially white males). Second: conspiracies often ore just that: insane and tough to grasp. They are frequently that bold and evil. You just seem a bit too concerned with image and optics and appealing to people that are already dead men walking. Stop fucking caring about what oversocialized braindead soyjacks think about you. Follow truth wherever it takes you.

as each new conspiracy claim is proven wrong or discredited by events

Dissidents don't have a elite playbook sitting in their laps. We do our best to figure out what these sick fucks are up too. I'll take the alt right prediction track record over any political group or mainstream institution. I'm confident in saying so because I have eyes to see.

[–]shilldetector 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

The people they genuinely care about are a VERY small circle. Were talking thousands not millions. Maybe even Hundreds. Are you talking about Jews possibly dying? Jews are manipulated and used by elites as well. Elites aren't afraid to kill Jews either. These fuckers play for keeps and Jews are born and raised to be victims so that they too can be milked and exploited. Just because Jews are the shock troopers doesn't mean they aren't expendable.

Who are these elites you speak of? I can name the Jewish elites when I speak of Jewish power and the intentional de-whiteing(ethnic cleansing) of western civilization they are engaging in. There are certainly many that are unknown to me, but I can still name many of the major players, so tell me who some of these elites you speak of are? The idea that Jewish elites are conspiring with goy elites to kill off huge numbers of Jews(including most Jewish elites) is nonsense and isnt how the Jewish elite work. They are fanatically ethnocentric and to the extent they collaborate with goys, it is only to advance a longer term Jewish agenda. You dont really seem to understand what motivates them, which amazes me. Markimus totally gets it. DissidentHR, Cisheteroscum, fitter_happier and a lot of the reddit old guard totally get this. You seem a little wobbly on it and casparon has never had a fucking clue despite occasionally dropping some red pill crumbs here and there.

I also came into the movement at the tail end of the alt right peak. However, you can still look back at the history of white nationalism and paleo conservatism and see that they've been attempting to meme white genocide into the normie consciousness for a LONG ass time. None of these strategies have stopped the flood of mud. We have to be real about that. Having more people aware that they are drowning does not stop the flow of water. Leadership, action, and strategy is of critical importance.

The alt right were winning in the court of popular opinion, especially with younger whites(and a pretty significant number of non black POC for that matter). That's why Trump got elected, and why the Jewish elite completely freaked the fuck out and started their continually escalating crackdown. Sure Trump turned out to be controlled opposition, but that's besides the point. Their crack down has only further red pilled many other people, which is why Jewish pretend hispanic Mayorkas and the rest of the Biden knesset is going for a full court press in flooding and legalizing as many non white imports as humanly possible. That is where the action is. This covid conspiracy shit is just Q-anon 2.0, only a lot more successful in distracting people from where the real action is.

[–]TheJamesRocket 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

so tell me who some of these elites you speak of are?

Allow me to answer that question.

You want to know who is participating in the World Economic Forum? You might just as well ask who isn't participating in it. On the WEF website, they list the names of their partners. Take a long, hard look at that list. It includes a large number of Fortune 100 companys. Don't believe me? Here are the Top 5 largest corporations listed as WEF partners: Walmart. Amazon. Apple. CVS Health. AmerisourceBergen.

5 out of the top 10 largest corporations in the world have signed on to the WEF and the great reset. If that doesn't scare you, then the names of these other companys should: AstraZeneca, Pfizer, Moderna, Johnson & Johnson. Do these names sound familiar to you? They should, because they are the same companys that are manufacturing the vaccines. What an amazing coincidence!

The WEF even lists Microsoft as one of their partners. Bill Gates is a known spokesman for mass vaccination. Here are some more names. JPMorgan Chase, Verizon Communications, Centene, Chevron, Dell Technologies, Bank of America. The list goes on ad infinitum. These are among the 30 largest corporations in the world. They are all onboard with the WEF and the great reset. Find out who runs those companys, and you will have your list of names.

u/send_nasty_stuff

[–]TheJamesRocket 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Markimus totally gets it. DissidentHR, Cisheteroscum, fitter_happier and a lot of the reddit old guard totally get this.

No, he doesn't get it. Markimus doesn't understand the WEF and the great reset. I've had to school him on this subject before. He has arguments from incredulity, nothing more. He can't imagine why the Elites would want to administer a dangerous vaccine to the population, and he dismisses anyone who shows the health risks of the vaccine.

Cisheteroscum is on record saying that he hasn't taken the vaccine, and he doesn't believe in the covid hysteria. What makes you think he is on your side?

Ethnocrat is not well informed about the science behind the vaccines.

DissidentHR is probably a shill. Just like you are.

You seem a little wobbly on it and casparon has never had a fucking clue despite occasionally dropping some red pill crumbs here and there.

On the contrary, casparvoneverec is probably the best informed person about the science behind the vaccines. With the possible exception of myself, and send_nasty_stuff. The three of us have provided a veritable mountain of evidence about the danger of the vaccines, and all other aspects of the plandemic.

[–]shilldetector 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The goy elites are completely under the thumb of the Jewish elites because of their stranglehold on the global financial system, media, and western political systems. Plus the Israelis are psychopaths. Do you honestly think any Jewish elites would betray Israel and worldwide Jewry by conspiring with goy elites to wipe them out, and that world jewry would be caught completely unawares? Every major western intelligence agency on earth is fully compromised by Jewish espionage(if not practically under direct Jewish control like the CIA and NSA), so nothing even close to this could go undetected. David Cole had a bounty put on his head by Jews just for disputing the 6 million number, so any Jews that betrayed them would be pursued to the ends of the earth as long as there was one Jew left. They operate like a mafia. Framegame covered this extensively. Goy elites like Gates are fully compromised by Epstein and other Jewish blackmail operations. The conspiracy theory is full horseshit and from the point of view of the dissident right would actually be a good thing, as it would end Israel, wipe out most elites, and put the remaining elites on the eternal shitlist of vengeful Jews(for the record I dont think something that psychopathic would be a good thing, just pointing out the incoherence of this theory).

[–]TheJamesRocket 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Do you honestly think any Jewish elites would betray Israel and worldwide Jewry by conspiring with goy elites to wipe them out, and that world jewry would be caught completely unawares?

It doesn't matter whether or not you find it credible. All the evidence shows that this is what is actually happening, and we have to deal with that. Besides, its not like this sortof thing is entirely unprecedented. During WW2, the Jews in Britain and America deliberately put Europeon Jews in danger by declaring war on Germany. They knew what the Nazis would likely do if war broke out, and yet they went ahead and started the war anyway.

Check this out: ''We conclude that the Pfizer vaccines, for the elderly, killed during the 5-week vaccination period about 40 times more people than the disease itself would have killed, and about 260 times more people than the disease among the younger age class. We stress that this is in order to produce a green passport valid at most 6 months, and promote Pfizer sales.''

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You replied to yourself so you might want to move this comment. (Good comments by the way)

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

This covid conspiracy shit is just Q-anon 2.0

Have you taken the jab? Boosters?

The dissident space is more than just white nationalism and white replacement. It's all the lies that make up the fake matrix of information of which lies about race are one of them. If they can sell you on liberalism and egalitarianism they can sell you on lots of other bullshit like you need to take a shot every 6 months for a disease that they haven't fully identified and kills very very few people.

edit. An of course no response. All these gene therapy promoters don't seem to be very enthusiastic about sharing their jab status.

[–]shilldetector 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I value my privacy more than disputing a wacky conspiracy theory that makes no logical sense and which you cant debunk because it changes continually anyway, so I dont reveal personal info, including whether I got the vax. I will say that I have some minor hesitation about the vaccine and don't think it's particularly effective at preventing a covid infection anymore due to new strains like delta. That is completely different from thinking it's being used to intentionally poison people by some nebulous hidden elite.

The goy elites are completely under the thumb of the Jewish elites because of their stranglehold on the global financial system, media, and western political systems. Plus the Israelis are psychopaths. Do you honestly think any Jewish elites would betray Israel and worldwide Jewry by conspiring with goy elites to wipe them out, and that world jewry would be caught completely unawares? Every major western intelligence agency on earth is fully compromised by Jewish espionage(if not practically under direct Jewish control like the CIA and NSA), so nothing even close to this could go undetected. David Cole had a bounty put on his head by Jews just for disputing the 6 million number, so any Jews that betrayed them would be pursued to the ends of the earth as long as there was one Jew left. They operate like a mafia. Framegame covered this extensively. Goy elites like Gates are fully compromised by Epstein and other Jewish blackmail operations. The conspiracy theory is full horseshit and from the point of view of the dissident right would actually be a good thing, as it would end Israel, wipe out most elites, and put the remaining elites on the eternal shitlist of vengeful Jews. (for the record I dont think something that psychopathic would be a good thing, just pointing out the incoherence of this theory).

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I value my privacy more than disputing a wacky conspiracy theory

Elites for decades have been telegraphing their desire to depopulate the earth. Occult texts, Georgia guide stones, NGO documents, themes in hollywood, Bill Gates Ted Talks, Charles Schwaub's predictions, etc. It's painfully obvious.

That being said the people that believe the covid vaccine is a depopulation weapon are only a small portion of a much larger community of people that are simply trying to point out all the obvious inconsistencies and falsehoods related to the pandemic and the vaccine. These are facts you need to address if you want to be taken seriously. You seem to be pushing the notion that everyone who resists taking the vaccine is a conspiracy theory nut that believes the most extreme claims about the the covid gene therapy. That's just not true. And isn't it obvious by now that conspiracy theory is a damn healthy impulse? The intelligence community has clearly used the conspiracy theory label to steer the public away from many of the topics we talk about on DAR. In fact most of the 'red pills' you and I believe in are just more 'conspiracy theories' to the public. Jews did 9/11? Conspiracy THeOrY!! Holocaust wasn't real? Conspiracy Theory!! Blacks are born with lower impulse control and intelligence? Conspiracy theory? It's so strange to me to see regular DAR users like yourself call anyone that would question a rushed gene therapy that's already killing lots of people and destabilizing the financial system a 'conspiracy theorist'.

That is completely different from thinking it's being used to intentionally poison people by some nebulous hidden elite.

Again. The bulk of the people pushing back against the gene therapy mandates and lockdowns are not doing it because they think it's a depopulation weapon. They are doing it because it's an obvious infringement on rights and an unnecessarily risk for a virus that's not deadly at all. All the reasons to take the gene therapy shot are so obviously manufactured and fake. That should send huge alarm bells up. The origins of both the virus and the gene therapy itself are both sketchy as fuck.

Do you honestly think any Jewish elites would betray Israel and worldwide Jewry by conspiring with goy elites to wipe them out, and that world jewry would be caught completely unawares?

We already had a thread on this. There's a lot of reasons international elites might be totally cool with Israelis being the lead test case for the vaccine.

https://saidit.net/s/debatealtright/comments/8a2x/a_question_for_sns_and_the_other_vaccine_skeptics/

We don't have to have an exact plan for how they plan to kill us to know that this shot is not in our best interest. The evidence that we should oppose it is far far stronger then the evidence that we should take it or be neutral on it.

Every major western intelligence agency on earth is fully compromised by Jewish espionage(if not practically under direct Jewish control like the CIA and NSA),

You're also underestimating how many people in power are conditioned to just accept the 'science' and push whatever the consensus. There's very very little comprehension of Jewish power outside of our circles. It's possible for lots and lots of very intelligent people to be totally unaware of who exactly is pulling the strings and what their motives are.

so nothing even close to this could go undetected

It doesn't have to go undetected. There's no debate or dissident. Everyone that really matters has already decided to go forward with the 'plan'. We might not know exactly what that plan is but it's pretty clear there's solid consensus on pushing it.

David Cole had a bounty put on his head by Jews just for disputing the 6 million number, so any Jews that betrayed them would be pursued to the ends of the earth as long as there was one Jew left.

Except nothing actually happened to Cole and I also think you're misunderstanding the JQ. Jews are a Sub class of elites. They aren't plebs but they aren't at the very top either. They are servants of the most powerful families and they are conditioned and manipulated and victimized into being the shock trooper of the real power brokers.

They operate like a mafia. Framegame covered this extensively. Goy elites like Gates are fully compromised by Epstein and other Jewish blackmail operations. The conspiracy theory is full horseshit and from the point of view of the dissident right would actually be a good thing, as it would end Israel, wipe out most elites, and put the remaining elites on the eternal shitlist of vengeful Jews.

I just think you're missing some layers here. Maybe I will get into this in another post.

[–]shilldetector 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You don't really seem alt right to me. Which is fine, it's a big tent I guess. I don't really consider myself alt right either, but on this particular issue I'm definitely more along their lines of thinking than you. I think you have the roles reversed. It is the non Jewish elites that are forced to dance to the tune of the Jewish elites. I think this is a pretty important point and if you dont understand it, you dont understand the JQ and just how wealthy and powerful Jews collectively have become.

They have total monopolies in multiple areas that everyone relies on or can be brought down by, including the wealthiest people on earth. You cant do a fucking thing if they oppose you, no matter how wealthy you are. They can attack you in so many different ways from so many different angles, and they are highly motivated and well practiced in doing so, and collectively their wealth dwarfs any individual family or dynasty.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You don't really seem alt right to me.

Define alt right.

I think you have the roles reversed. It is the non Jewish elites that are forced to dance to the tune of the Jewish elites.

I never said they don't. What I'm trying to communicate is it's not 500 million Jews controlling the world. It's a 150 individuals controlling the world. Many of whom are Jewish but not all and those 150 people will use the larger Jewish community and exploit them if they have to. At the level you and I are at we only see Jewish control because we live in the west where the Jewish community has been pushing anti nationalism, atheism, anti European culture, pro lgbt, etc for decades and decades.

The power brokers that sit above Jews will do whatever it takes to maintain power and keep harvesting the goyim population for resources. I think it's also important to understand that many non Jews you see in power aren't just controlled by Jews they are either crypto Jews or they have married into Jewish lines. Most non Jews in power are controlled by falling for propaganda or controlled by blackmail. We are talking past eachother a bit because when I say 'in power' I mean billionaires, politicians, heads of NGO's, etc. When I say 'power brokers' I mean a very very small group of elites families that invested in the fed reserve and were married into very very old European blood lines. These people are lightyears above the average shit lib New York Jew that hates Trump or Israeli. There's a lot more nuance going on as you dive into power structures.

Bottom line the JQ is very true but multifaceted and misunderstood. Jews are mostly dangerous because they are willing to do what a very very small death cult wants them to do and they are whores for money. They will destroy nations to lick the feet of their banking families or intellectual elites. It's sad. They buy into liberalism, atheism, anti European propaganda more readily then even the worst white shit lib. It makes them the perfect tool for banking families to use to exploit even larger populations and they are rewarded handsomely for their betrayal.

You cant do a fucking thing if they oppose you

Not in business or finance though but in other areas yes.

They can attack you in so many different ways from so many different angles, and they are highly motivated and well practiced in doing so, and collectively their wealth dwarfs any individual family or dynasty.

No power is absolute. The fact that they are rushing the build back better thing shows they had to move a timeline for some reason. They are worried about something...

[–]FriedrichLudwig 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Why can't we do both?

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 8 insightful - 6 fun8 insightful - 5 fun9 insightful - 6 fun -  (1 child)

But 4/5 doctors recommend Marlborough!
Rub some cigarettes on the fetuses for vitality and flavour.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

"You've come a long way baby."

[–]Nombre27 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

The NEJM article in question

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8117969/

Letter that brought attention to the calculation error.

https://web.archive.org/web/20210615010704/https://www.skirsch.com/covid/Vaccine_safety_in_preg_NEJM_May_28_2021.pdf

Also, from that study it's likely more than 8/10 (104/127) since the 700 of the 827 were not third trimester but that doesn't mean they were all before 20 weeks either.

Second letter

https://www.nejm.org/doi/10.1056/NEJMc2113516

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Thanks. For some reason, people on this board are hell bent on believing the establishment on this one issue although they distrust it on everything else.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

They have several reasons to have faith in the establishment - all bad.

[–]Wrangel 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (28 children)

Can we try to keep the pseudoscience to a minimum? If there was an effect that caused 80% miscarriage rates, that would have been known a long time ago.

[–]Node 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

A total of 96 of 104 spontaneous abortions (92.3%) occurred before 13 weeks of gestation (Table 4), and 700 of 712 pregnancies that resulted in a live birth (98.3%) were among persons who received their first eligible vaccine dose in the third trimester.

[–]Nombre27 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (25 children)

How's that? Weren't pregnant women excluded from the clinical trials?

[–]Wrangel 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (24 children)

Lots of pregnant women have taken the vaccine. An effect that large would get picked up very quickly.

The medical industry is brutally over regulated and the number of people who work with trying to minimize risks is at absurd levels. Any tiny risk with a new medication and it will get shut down superfast.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

An effect that large would get picked up very quickly.

IFIFY:
An effect that large would be suppressed and censored science very quickly. There's a depopulation agenda under way with a sickcare system being built on blind faith in scientism myths that must not be questioned or interfered with.

[–]Wrangel 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

An effect that large would be suppressed and censored science very quickly.

No it wouldn't, the hysteria is the thousands and thousands of government regulartors whose job is to find every miniscule risk and overregulate the vaccine industry to death. The cost of developing medications has shot through the roof due to how hysterical the regulators have gotten. If there was a risk it would be published it would be reported on. It is just that nothing has been found.

We dont have a depopulation agenda, we have neoliberals ruling the planet who are obsessed with increasing populations.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

The holocaust lie is easily disproven by simple logic and math and yet it has persisted for over 76 years and still remains integral to the liberal cannon

[–]Wrangel 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Which is why they don't want you to study it. When the elites don't want you to know something they hide it. Thousands of articles are published on covid vaccines. They aren't trying to hide research related to it.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Truth.

To be fair, it only really got popularized via Hollywood since the 1970s.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

So you don't think that Vitamin C, Vitamin D, Zinc, Ivermectin, other solutions, healthy living, etc. have been suppressed since the COVID hysteria began? Now they are firing front line workers who have little chance of catching COVID because they won't take the poison injection - meanwhile they could be saving lives. This so-called disease that over 99% of people survive if they get it seems to be worth completely destroying the economy, small businesses, jobs, food networks, etc.

Do you not understand the depopulation U.N. Agenda 2030 and the Great Reset?

Have you seen the stats that obese folks get hit harder and that obesity is up with lockdown? Why is booze allowed but not health or gyms? Why is congregating in megastores okay but not bars or churches? This social distancing is to keep people from communicating as much as it is to weaken and destroy the minds of humanity.

we have neoliberals ruling the planet who are obsessed with increasing populations.

You must realize that the vast majority of politicians say one thing and do the opposite. There's nothing about increasing populations in their climate change scam.

[–]Wrangel 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

So you don't think that Vitamin C, Vitamin D, Zinc, Ivermectin, other solutions, healthy living, etc. have been suppressed since the COVID hysteria began?

None of these solutions are remotely as effective as vaccines and they haven't been suppressed. There is strong consensus that living a healthy life is good from a covid perspective.

Do you not understand the depopulation U.N. Agenda 2030 and the Great Reset?

That some people in a think tank are discussing some very real problems doesn't mean that the lizard people all run the world at WEF-meeting. These people can barely get anything done after their conferences anyway. The consensus among the elites is that we need a booming population to keep the economy going, not depopulation.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

None of these solutions are remotely as effective as vaccines and they haven't been suppressed.

One million percent false.
There's no shortage of rampant censorship over the last two years on YouTube along with the other social media platforms of the technocracy.

The vaccines aren't too effective at much of anything.

There is strong consensus that living a healthy life is good from a covid perspective.

Yet, the authorities are giving gyms, health providers, and other well-being resources an exceptionally difficult time.

That some people in a think tank are discussing some very real problems doesn't mean that the lizard people all run the world at WEF-meeting.

If you can't have an authentic conversation without erecting strawmen then I'm done.

The consensus among the elites is that we need a booming population to keep the economy going, not depopulation.

And yet they're decimating small businesses, destroying economies, crippling food production, and without proper representation they're pushing absurd mandates and odious debt that will only spike inflation and destroy the middle and lower classes. This is engineered chaos through lockstep oppression excused by manufactured hysteria in fear of a flu and rigged statistics designed to confuse and disorient.

[–]Wrangel 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

One million percent false

Vaccines give by far the biggest bang for the buck when stopping the pandemic.

There's no shortage of rampant censorship over the last two years on YouTube along with the other social media platforms of the technocracy.

Schizoposting on facebook is not the same as the actual scientific debate which hasn't been censored.

Yet, the authorities are giving gyms, health providers, and other well-being resources an exceptionally difficult time.

Short closures during a pandemic lockdown is very different from not wanting people to exercise.

And yet they're decimating small businesses, destroying economies, crippling food production, and without proper representation they're pushing absurd mandates and odious debt that will only spike inflation and destroy the middle and lower classes. This is engineered chaos through lockstep oppression excused by manufactured hysteria in fear of a flu and rigged statistics designed to confuse and disorient.

Rather, they showed themselves weak and ineffective and did a poor job at stopping the pandemic. Their measures were haphazard, disorganized and not effective. There was a severe lack of actual leadership as seen in Asian countries.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Vaccines give by far the biggest bang for the buck when stopping the pandemic.

Repeating propaganda bullshit doesn't make it true.

Schizoposting on facebook is not the same as the actual scientific debate which hasn't been censored.

I agree. However, you can find no shortage of actual oppression, suppression, and censorship in /s/Censorship, /s/ClassWar, /s/ClimateSkeptics, /s/Conspiracy, /s/Coronavirus, /s/CorruptScience, /s/CultureWars, /s/FoodCrises, /s/FuckMasks, /s/Gaslighting, /s/Health, /s/Justice_v_Injustice, /s/LockdownSkepticism, /s/NoNewNormal, /s/Politics, /s/Propaganda, /s/PsyOps, /s/SocialMedia, /s/Technocracy, /s/Tyranny, /s/VaccineInjuries, and /s/VaccineSkepticism - among others.

Rather, they showed themselves weak and ineffective and did a poor job at stopping the pandemic. Their measures were haphazard, disorganized and not effective. There was a severe lack of actual leadership as seen in Asian countries.

It's anything but "haphazard, disorganized and not effective." It's organized and effective chaos to deliberately reach very specific goals. Propaganda is most effective on target audiences because they do not understand how they're being manipulated. If you see it, you're not the target. Just because you don't have greater contextual understanding and can't see the patterns doesn't mean they're not there. MANY of us on SaidIt can see them clearly.

I'm starting to think you might be a sealion.
/s/Terminology/comments/8f81/sealioning_a_harassment_tactic_under_the_guise_of/
No more for you today.

[–]Nombre27 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

The vaccines aren't too effective at much of anything.

Vaccines are so effective that vaccinated have the same viral loads as the unvaccinated

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.31.21261387v1

[–]chadwickofwv 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Lol, do you really believe that?

[–]Wrangel 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

It doesn't take many people getting side effects for a pattern to be noticed.

[–]Nombre27 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

An effect that large would get picked up very quickly.

Okay, and it's been reported in this paper but has been mostly absent in the media as far as I can tell.

Lots of pregnant women have taken the vaccine.

That doesn't mean they were first and early-to middle second trimester though. As the paper outlines, it appears to be the pre-20 week pregnancies that are at-risk while third trimester were fine. Do you think that warrants further investigation?

The medical industry is brutally over regulated and the number of people who work with trying to minimize risks is at absurd levels.

That's a separate issue from a high rate of termination associated with vaccination in pre-20 week pregnancies, don't you think? Why conflate the two?

Any tiny risk with a new medication and it will get shut down superfast.

I don't think a spontaneous abortion rate of over 80% is a "tiny risk." You seem predisposed to ignoring and downplaying the harm caused to these families.

[–]Wrangel 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

Okay, and it's been reported in this paper but has been mostly absent in the media as far as I can tell.

Because it doesn't actually show that there are any dangers.

That doesn't mean they were first and early-to middle second trimester though. As the paper outlines, it appears to be the pre-20 week pregnancies that are at-risk while third trimester were fine. Do you think that warrants further investigation?

And months and months of investigations have found nothing on this vaccine. However, getting a serious viral infection during pregnancy is not healthy.

I don't think a spontaneous abortion rate of over 80% is a "tiny risk." You seem predisposed to ignoring and downplaying the harm caused to these families.

That isn't what the study concludes.

[–]Nombre27 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

That isn't what the study concludes.

Yes it is. 700 of the 827 participants were ineligible to have a spontaneous abortion as per the definition of spontaneous abortion that they even use in the paper. They were vaccinated during their third trimester and were ineligible to have a spontaneous abortion. At most 127 of the women in the study were eligible to have a spontaneous abortion, although it's likely that some of the non-700 third trimesters were also beyond 20 weeks and also ineligible.

You don't know what you're talking about.

[–]Wrangel 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

So pretty much the numbers in the behind the claim that 80% of pregnancies ended with miscarriage after the vaccine was absolute nonsense.

[–]Nombre27 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

No. You're being ignorant.

Of the 827, only 127 could have had the definition of a spontaneous abortion because the definition is a miscarriage at 20 weeks of gestation or earlier. So those 700 that were vaccinated in their third trimester were de facto ineligible to have a spontaneous abortion and should not be included in the analysis.

Does that make sense?

[–]Wrangel 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

Of the 827 women who had a completed pregnancy, 104 had a miscarriage. Therefore, the authors calculate that of the completed pregnancies, there was a 12.6% rate of miscarriage. (This was calculated with just those who had a completed pregnancy by the time the preliminary study had been released.)

So 12.6% miscarriage rate which is pretty much normal.

[–]Nombre27 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Again you're being ignorant and I'm starting to think it's intentional. Read the bolded please.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8117969/

A total of 96 of 104 spontaneous abortions (92.3%) occurred before 13 weeks of gestation (Table 4), and 700 of 712 pregnancies that resulted in a live birth (98.3%) were among persons who received their first eligible vaccine dose in the third trimester.

If a woman is in their third trimester then they're already beyond the point of being able to have a spontaneous abortion as those only happen before 20 weeks of pregnancy.

I've written this out in as simple a way as possible, so if you're this incapable of understanding these words then I don't know what else to say.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Can we try to keep the pseudoscience to a minimum?

Not a debate. In fact you're borderline tone policing. Consider that a warning.

If there was an effect that caused 80% miscarriage rates, that would have been known a long time ago.

The covid gene therapy is barely a year old. It did not go through the standard long term trials that other vaccines go through. Also pregnant women are a smaller sub group of the larger population so the effects would be more hidden. Women also hide miscarriages or don't know they had them. It's difficult to study.

Did you get the gene therapy shot? Boosters? How many boosters should the state mandate before you think they are overreaching? Israel has taken all their boosters with a higher adherence rate then almost anywhere in the world and their covid levels are some of the worst in the world. How do you explain that?

[–]Nombre27 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

u/casparvoneverec

The authors replied to this letter

TO THE EDITOR

Shimabukuro et al. (June 17 issue)1 reported preliminary data on the safety of messenger RNA (mRNA) Covid-19 vaccines in pregnancy from the v-safe surveillance system and pregnancy registry. They reported that among 827 participants with a completed pregnancy, the pregnancy resulted in spontaneous abortion by week 20 in 104 (12.6%), and the authors indicated that this proportion was similar to that in the general population. This calculated metric is misleading and does not reflect the real risk of spontaneous abortion.

As stated in the article, among the 827 participants with a completed pregnancy, 700 received their first eligible vaccine dose in the third trimester. These participants should be excluded from the calculation because they had already passed week 20 when they received the vaccination. The risk of spontaneous abortion should be determined on the basis of the group of participants who received the vaccination before week 20 and were followed through week 20 or had an earlier pregnancy loss. Comparison with population-based rates of spontaneous abortion is complicated by the fact that women who are vaccinated at later times during early pregnancy have less time during which they are at risk for pregnancy loss; thus, a crude proportion is likely to underestimate the overall risk.2

Hong Sun, Ph.D. Dedalus Healthcare, Antwerp, Belgium

https://www.nejm.org/doi/10.1056/NEJMc2113516

The authors reply: Sun appropriately raises questions about the proportion of women reporting spontaneous abortion in our recent article. We agree that the denominator used in that proportion — 827 completed pregnancies — is not an appropriate denominator for the calculation of a risk estimate or rate.

The number of spontaneous abortions (104) reflects data reported by the participants as of March 30, 2021, during telephone follow-up. In this preliminary report, follow-up information was missing for the majority of pregnancies in which exposure to vaccination occurred in early pregnancy. Among the 1224 women who had been vaccinated before conception or in the first trimester, follow-up through 20 weeks of gestation had been completed for only 204 pregnancies that were known to be ongoing and for 1 pregnancy that resulted in stillbirth. Among the pregnancies that had not yet reached 20 weeks of gestation, there were 10 pregnancies with other outcomes before 20 weeks of gestation, including 8 ectopic pregnancies and 2 induced abortions. For the other 905 pregnancies, follow-up had not occurred to establish whether these pregnancies were ongoing past 20 weeks of gestation. We have amended Table 4 in our earlier publication and have clarified the text.

Subsequently, we completed telephone follow-up for the 905 pregnancies and enrolled additional persons in the v-safe pregnancy registry. To determine the cumulative risk of spontaneous abortion from 6 to less than 20 weeks of gestation, we used life-table methods to perform an updated analysis, now reported in the Journal, involving 2456 women who received at least one dose of an mRNA Covid-19 vaccine before conception or before 20 weeks of gestation.1 The estimated risks (14.1% overall and 12.8% in age-standardized analyses) are consistent with the risks of spontaneous abortion reported in the general population.1

Dana M. Meaney-Delman, M.D. Sascha R. Ellington, Ph.D. Tom T. Shimabukuro, M.D. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Atlanta, GA tshimabukuro@cdc.gov

And the follow-up analysis

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2113891

So there was 165 spontaneous abortions tabulated. Seems weird that the bulk of these happened in such a small sample size at the beginning of the study. I hope they do a follow-up analysis to determine what proportion and how long after vaccination these spontaneous abortions occurred. I think it stands to reason that there had to be some non-zero effect from the vaccines.

[–]ayotollahsinIran 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (31 children)

Ok. https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-vaccine-pregnancy-idUSL1N2OX1WL

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (30 children)

The reuters article does good gaslighting.

However, this study is focusing specifically on how the Covid vaccine impacts pregnancy, including by trimester. So to more precisely calculate the miscarriage rate, we have to remember that miscarriages, by definition, occur before the 20-week gestation mark. This means that all 700 women who received the vaccine in the third trimester must be excluded from the calculation because they were already past being able to have a technical miscarriage. So really, 104 out of 127 women experienced a miscarriage. This means the miscarriage rate of women who received the vaccine in the first or second trimester is actually 81.9%, or 8 out of 10 women – way, way above the national average.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (29 children)

wait they have the wrong miscarriage definition, it's if you lose the baby at any point during the 9 months

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (17 children)

miscarriage definition

Miscarriage is when a baby dies in the womb before 20 weeks of pregnancy. Some women have a miscarriage before they know they're pregnant.

https://www.marchofdimes.org/complications/miscarriage.aspx#:~:text=Miscarriage%20is%20when%20a%20baby,chromosomes%20in%20genes%20cause%20most.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

is it called something else if the baby dies after 20 weeks, like late term baby death or something

sounds like an evil distinction

[–]chadwickofwv 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

Yes, after 20 weeks it is classified as stillbirth.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I hope they continue this study. It only looks like 80% had a miscarriage because it doesn't count women who were still pregnant. If they just halt the study that's a sign of a coverup.

[–]Nombre27 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

You really ought to read the study because you're just spouting numbers without any sense of how they were derived.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8117969/

From table 3

Characteristic Pfizer–BioNTech Vaccine Moderna Vaccine Total
First trimester: <14 wk 615 (28.8) 517 (28.4) 1132 (28.6)
Second trimester: ≥14 and <28 wk 932 (43.6) 782 (42.9) 1714 (43.3)
Third trimester: ≥28 wk 533 (25.0) 486 (26.7) 1019 (25.7)

So there's at least 1132 pregnant women that can have a spontaneous abortion. This doesn't include second trimester values but if it were to include we can expect this value to approach about 2000 women that are eligible to have a spontaneous abortion. So of this approximately 2000 woman sample, we have data on 127 of them and 104 had spontaneous abortions. While there certainly could be sampling error that led to such a high rate in this 127 woman sample, there is no doubt that it doesn't look good considering that it's likely that some of them were also beyond the 20 week mark when they were vaccinated, so the spontaneous abortion rate is likely even higher for this sample.

This study was published in April, so I wouldn't be surprised if there was another publication from this cohort coming out by the end of the year or early next year as they should have data on the rest of the women and have already done an analysis.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

tldr but bottom line is gotta count all of them or it's cherry pickin

[–]Nombre27 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

No it literally isn't. 700 of the women weren't vaccinated before the 20 week cut-off. You're being ignorant.

[–]Nombre27 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think the distinction has to do with the statistical viability of the baby. Afaik, it's nearly impossible for a 20 week old to survive outside the womb.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199311253292201

RESULTS

Fifty-six infants (39 percent) survived for six months. Survival improved with increasing gestational age; none of 29 infants born at 22 weeks' gestation survived, as compared with 6 of 40 (15 percent) born at 23 weeks, 19 of 34 (56 percent) born at 24 weeks, and 31 of 39 (79 percent) born at 25 weeks.

[–]shilldetector 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

You are throwing out a strawman. The issue is that the study didnt show 80% of pregnant women who had the vaccine had a miscarriage, or any thing close to that. Most of the women in the study were still pregnant when it concluded, so those that were no longer pregnant were generally the ones who had a miscarriage, and it was nowhere near 80% of the total women in the study. Your post is total bullshit. Arguing over the exact definition of miscarriage has zero effect on your post being bullshit.

[–]Nombre27 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

This is wrong.

There was 700 live births out of that group of 827

A total of 96 of 104 spontaneous abortions (92.3%) occurred before 13 weeks of gestation (Table 4), and 700 of 712 pregnancies that resulted in a live birth (98.3%) were among persons who received their first eligible vaccine dose in the third trimester.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8117969/

Of the remaining 127, who also didn't receive the vaccine in the third trimester, 104 of them had miscarriages.

Please read the actual study before making comments that are entirely baseless and factually incorrect.

[–]shilldetector 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I stand corrected, but the post is still a lie. 127 out of 827 births is 15%, not 80%. Which means the percentage of vaccinated women that had a miscarriage is in line with the average percentage that have a miscarriage in general, which is what several other studies have shown.

There may be reasons to be hesitant in getting the vaccine if you are pregnant, but I'd be more concerned about long term developmental issues than miscarriage, especially since a covid infection itself is has a proven link to increased miscarriage.

So this was just another bullshit covid distraction post, of the kind we see completely filling up the front page of saidit to the exclusion of most everything else, by design.

[–]Nombre27 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

The post is still a lie. 127 out of 827 births is 15%, not 80%.

No it isn't.

Read the bolded please.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8117969/

A total of 96 of 104 spontaneous abortions (92.3%) occurred before 13 weeks of gestation (Table 4), and 700 of 712 pregnancies that resulted in a live birth (98.3%) were among persons who received their first eligible vaccine dose in the third trimester.

If a woman is in their third trimester then they're already beyond the point of being able to have a spontaneous abortion as those only happen before 20 weeks of pregnancy. So 700 of the 827 were ineligible to have a spontaneous abortion. The spontaneous abortion rate of this sample is 82%. I'm not sure how to explain this any simpler.

There may be reasons to be hesitant in getting the vaccine if you are pregnant, but I'd be more concerned about long term developmental issues than miscarriage, especially since a covid infection itself is has a proven link to increased miscarriage.

I agree.

So this was just another bullshit covid distraction post, of the kind we see completely filling up the front page of saidit to the exclusion of most everything else, by design.

No it isn't. 700 of the 827 women were not capable of having a spontaneous abortion because they were vaccinated in their third trimester.

[–]shilldetector 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

No it isn't. 700 of the 827 women were not capable of having a spontaneous abortion because they were vaccinated in their third trimester.

So what is even the fucking point of bringing up this study? If the vast majority received the vaccine before they were capable of having a miscarriage then how is this study being used to prove that the vaccine causes miscarriages?

[–]Nombre27 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Because 104 of the 127 (82%) non-third trimester vaccinations ended up with spontaneous abortions. That's concerning, both ethically and statistically.

[–]Nombre27 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

No. Table 4. It's the definition they use in the paper.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8117969/table/t4/

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

well besides how many had miscarriages, how many had a baby die, that's what I care about more than the rigid term miscarriage.

[–]Nombre27 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Okay.

I don't thinking caring about what you said and caring about the possibility that 80% or more of pregnant that were vaccinated women before their third trimester had miscarriages are mutually exclusive things to care about.

Not sure why you're arguing about semantics.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

actually you and those talking about this are arguing about the semantics

but it is true miscarriages have a weird definition. that needs to be changed to anytime a woman loses a pregnancy

So what does this show. Besides the definition of a word. Do women that are pregnant and get the vaccine mostly lose the baby in the first trimester? Then the baby is safe if it made it that long? I guess that makes sense. A baby is weaker and it is harder for them to survive the younger it is in the womb. More than 80% do survive though? Ok what is the true number that survive?

[–]Nombre27 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Supposedly it's closer to 10% that are miscarried.

https://web.archive.org/web/20210615010704/https://www.skirsch.com/covid/Vaccine_safety_in_preg_NEJM_May_28_2021.pdf

Additionally, the authors indicate that the rate of SAs in the published literature is between 10% and 26%.3-5 However, the upper cited rate includes clinically-unrecognized pregnancies,3 which does not reflect the clinicallyrecognized pregnancies of this cohort and should be removed.

\3. Dugas C, Slane VH. Miscarriage. StatPearls [Internet] 2020.

\4. Obstetricians ACo, Gynecologists. ACOG practice bulletin no. 200: Early pregnancy loss. Obstetrics and gynecology 2018;132:e197-e207.

\5. Medicine PCotASfR. Evaluation and treatment of recurrent pregnancy loss: a committee opinion. Fertility and sterility 2012;98:1103-11.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I guess that's about the same amount that normally don't make it to term

[–]Nombre27 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Maybe I wrote that out poorly, but a miscarriage rate of 80% is much greater than a 10% miscarriage rate.