Have Liberals/Leftists ever explained these photos of diversity being forced at gunpoint?

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[–]Salos60000Pragmatic European Nationalism 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

This isn't really a good own mainly due to the fact the Whites were not really the underdog in this situation. Regardless of your opinions on what should have been done and what the proper solutions should have been, the Black community did objectively have it worse under segregation in the south, they got worse services, underfunded facilities, denied the right to vote etc. Most American's know this context. If you pull this argument the leftist can retaliate: Why is White students having to sit class with Black students worse than Black students getting a worse education and thus quality of life? And in regard to the Little Rock incident they can point to the state forces planning on opening fire on Black children which is morally and optically horrific.

[–]FoxySDTWhite Nationalist 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Why is White students having to sit class with Black students worse than Black students getting a worse education and thus quality of life? And in regard to the Little Rock incident they can point to the state forces planning on opening fire on Black children which is morally and optically horrific.

They didn't get "worse education". This is a myth, stop saying that. Black schools right now get more funding per student, they have teachers with higher salary and more experience yet they still do worse academically then whites. There are no bad schools only bad students. But even if it all was true it doesn't justify the government sending troops to limit freedom of association of its people. What is this game you're playing here? "Blakpipo still have it worse so it doesn't count if your basic freedoms are being restricted"

Btw, what do you think would happen to the people in the photo if they didn't comply? You think power of white privilege would protect them from bayonets?

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Everytime I hear about "bad education" I have to ask WTF does good education look like?

Europeans didn't have electronic calculators or even pencils 2000 years ago, yet they still manage to rule the known world or build amazing wonders like the Roman Colosseum.

Pretty much every Black kid today has a cellphone in their pocket with some form of internet access. If the public schools were really that bad, they should be studying online and becoming scientists by the truckload. Yet we see the complete opposite (i.e they have higher drop out rates and become drug dealers).

And of course, we have other non-whites groups who attend the same public schools, yet Asians never complain that the schools let them down or teach them to fail.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

This isn't really a good own mainly due to the fact the Whites were not really the underdog in this situation.

More than a million Whites just died fighting in the biggest conflict in human history, yet they came back home to a country that said their race shouldn't exist. They were definitely underdogs at this point.

Regardless of your opinions on what should have been done and what the proper solutions should have been, the Black community did objectively have it worse under segregation in the south, they got worse services, underfunded facilities, denied the right to vote etc.

Fake news. Blacks objectively owned their own banks and movie theaters. In fact, an untold story about desegregation was the huge amount of bankruptcies that forced many blacks out of businesses, since Whites could start selling in their neighborhoods.

Why is White students having to sit class with Black students worse than Black students getting a worse education and thus quality of life?

Blacks don't get worse education. Their average IQ is 85 points which limits how successful they can be in life. If anything, forcing them to go to White schools where the average IQ is 100 is a crime against humanity because you're forcing retards to take classes intended for geniuses.

And in regard to the Little Rock incident they can point to the state forces planning on opening fire on Black children which is morally and optically horrific.

So the argument is blacks should have stayed in separate black schools where they were safer.

[–]Salos60000Pragmatic European Nationalism 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

No they did not. When did Eisenhower or anyone on his cabinet say White's shouldn't exist? When did any US congressmen or Senator in the 1950s say Whites shouldn't exist? Show me any anti White messaging in the media in 1950s.

No sources presented for points 2 and 3. What banks did they own? Do you have any articles about these bankruptcies?

Again, this is a weak "own", the equivalent of victim blaming, if this event did end in bloodshed, absolutely no one would take the side of the grown soldiers who just killed innocent children.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

No they did not. When did Eisenhower or anyone on his cabinet say White's shouldn't exist? When did any US congressmen or Senator in the 1950s say Whites shouldn't exist? Show me any anti White messaging in the media in 1950s.

Segregation laws existed to protect Whites from getting their gene pool destroyed. Without them, America would have became exactly like Brazil, where race mixing and mass immigration turned Whites into hated minorities and the country as a whole is now a failure.

No sources presented for points 2 and 3. What banks did they own? Do you have any articles about these bankruptcies?

https://www.nytimes.com/1981/07/26/us/businesses-owned-by-blacks-still-fighting-an-uphill-battle.html

Black-owned businesses were decimated as a paradoxical side effect of desegregation, and, despite the emergence of a new generation of black businesses competing in the general marketplace, only marginal progress has been made in recovering the ground lost in this era of sweeping social and economic change. 'It Just Didn't Work Out' There are fewer than 500 black-owned businesses operating in Birmingham today as against more than 1,000 in the early 1960's, according to veteran black business leaders here, and the statistics tell similar stories in cities across the nation where blacks constitute a significant share of the population: New York, Washington, Richmond, Nashville, Jackson, Miss., Atlanta, Chicago, Kansas City, Mo.

Again, this is a weak "own", the equivalent of victim blaming, if this event did end in bloodshed, absolutely no one would take the side of the grown soldiers who just killed innocent children.

How can you be so sure? Blacklivesmatter riots were just last year, and yet there was no federal resistance to the mass looting, burnings and even murder that came as a result.

Meanwhile, the USA constantly mobilizes whenever White people get close to the U.S Capitol. Joe Biden even said the biggest threat facing America today is "White supremacy". Which is just a code word for "white people wishing to exist".

Jared Taylor did an excellent write up on how the U.S government isn't afraid to shoot down White people compared to any other race.

https://www.amren.com/videos/2021/09/does-the-us-have-political-prisoners/

If the U.S Army didn't want to gun down White people for opposing diversity, why summon them in the first? It seems like they had intentions to kill in order to push an agenda.

[–]Salos60000Pragmatic European Nationalism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I don't really believe your point on segregation. The Black population was only 10% of the populace, and on top of that most races choose those of their own. What has done the most harm to White America over the last 50 years was mass immigration introduced by parasites and traitors. The Black community has largely remained stagnant.

The desire to end segregation wasn't motivated that much by anti whiteness(although it was used a staging point) more as a way to deprive the soviets of the talking point as the US sought allies in post colonial nations as well as that morality was a motivation as communications connected the north with the south.

Eisenhower send the troops to enforce the Supreme Court decision, no Whites were killed at Little Rock.

I'd be fine with segregation of the Black community was actually treated fairly. There are thousands of accounts for Blacks who grew up in that time period, their QOL and restrictions against them are pretty clearly documented. The business's point is a good one but the business class was likely in a minority compared to the populace in cheap labor.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I don't really believe your point on segregation. The Black population was only 10% of the populace, and on top of that most races choose those of their own. What has done the most harm to White America over the last 50 years was mass immigration introduced by parasites and traitors. The Black community has largely remained stagnant.

10% of the population, that does 50% of all murders and demands welfare. Do you really think if America had desegregated in 1776, the country would have been a superpower?

No, Brazil is proof that if Whites are not protected or given special status, your country fails. There is no exception.

The desire to end segregation wasn't motivated that much by anti whiteness(although it was used a staging point) more as a way to deprive the soviets of the talking point as the US sought allies in post colonial nations as well as that morality was a motivation as communications connected the north with the south.

Why should America care about what the Soviets think? The Soviets hated Capitalism too, yet America didn't abolish it.

And seeking allies with post-colonial countries was also a failure. Tell me which country is better? Rhodesia or Zimbabwe? Or Apartheid South Africa vs "Diverse" South Africa? Every country where Whites were force to leave, the nations fell with them.

I'd be fine with segregation of the Black community was actually treated fairly. There are thousands of accounts for Blacks who grew up in that time period, their QOL and restrictions against them are pretty clearly documented.

If their life was so bad, how come none of them ever returned to Africa? In fact, WHY are Africans still running to America today?

https://www.texastribune.org/2021/09/17/texas-border-del-rio-migrants/

There is no proof that Blacks were treated any worse than the countries they originally came from. Africa today still practices slavery and cannibalism, yet whose fault is that? Blacks.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

USA wanted to show capitalism is better than communism. Other countries were thinking of going communist. Nowadays russia isn't communist, though China ostensibly is. China will probably collapse Russia style eventually.

[–]AidsVictim69 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The Black population was only 10% of the populace, and on top of that most races choose those of their own. What has done the most harm to White America over the last 50 years was mass immigration introduced by parasites and traitors. The Black community has largely remained stagnant.

While mass immigration has been the largest problem for American cohesion the black community has not "remained stagnant" Around the time of these photos the ratio of black to white Americans was 1 to 9 - now it's something like 1 to 4. And in the last 20 years they've become incredibly dominant culturally and politically corresponding with large growth of mulatto population and high levels of outgroup preference by white women. They're also been incredibly destructive to many American urban centers even at 10-15% of the population.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

good point everything that led to progress was done to compete with the soviets. New Deal and space program too.