Something I don't get regarding Nationalists and the vaccine

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[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

So if you work in the medical industry, you should spend less time online and actually assist the thousands of people who are interned right now.

Yelling at me wont solve anything. Quite the opposite. If what you're saying is true, then you need do something about it.

Listing any excuses goes against "actions speak louder than words".

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Are you attempting to throw him under the bus because his personal efforts towards C-19 don't meet your personal standards?

Where are your efforts, eh? You could go and obtain certification as a nurse aide or patient care tech, and rather quickly, all so that you can go and assist these dying patients. Yet you're here chastising others instead. How noble.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Are you attempting to throw him under the bus because his personal efforts towards C-19 don't meet your personal standards?

Well as a Nationalist, I rather take pride in the fact my views are meant to keep my nation safe, instead of chasing after atomization that has crippled my country in more ways than I can count.

But simply, just wearing a mask and respecting social distancing is the bare minimum I've ever called for. Anyone who politicized medicine mostly turned out to be unsavory and had no respect for those who put themselves in danger during the pandemic.

Where are your efforts, eh? You could go and obtain certification as a nurse aide or patient care tech, and rather quickly, all so that you can go and assist these dying patients.

Been there, done that. You might have missed my post where I said I was in the medical field.

https://saidit.net/s/debatealtright/comments/8e2l/something_i_dont_get_regarding_nationalists_and/v4px

And I'm one of the thousands of pandemic workers who are officially burned out by this shit. At least compared to last year, the situation has gotten slightly better. But I still remember the horror stories of anti-maskers being in charge of our units, that it actually lead to the Canadian Army getting involved because it was that terrible.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/long-term-care-pandemic-covid-coronavirus-trudeau-1.5584960

So I can confirm for a fact that this Covid denial is affecting real people right now. If someone wants to hold the opinion the virus isn't real, that's good for you. But then also stay in your home and don't interact with other people whose jobs depend on not actually getting sick, because for a long time, we also didn't get any pay for this either.

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 Anyone who politicized medicine mostly turned out to be unsavory and had no respect for those who put themselves in danger during the pandemic.

It's politicized by default. Anything that manages the public to any degree will be. That's the nature of an industry where plenty of money can be made, and you should know how little integrity that it has if you work within it.

Ben there, done that. You might have missed my post where I said I was in the medical field.

I did read it, and it was unclear regarding your particular role. You mentioned that you were at the epicenter (which could mean that you had family/friends in hospital, worked administrative roles that deal with the facilities, or really quite a number of things), saying that it's impossible to work in the field right now (can be taken as opinion from observing others that work the field), and that your friend is a nurse (you structured your sentence to say that your friend is also a nurse-- making it unclear as to whether you're also a nurse, or that "also" was just used to indicate addendum). You dismissed the heavy corruption that I tried to bring to your attention within the medical industry in the US vs Canada by bringing up the rest.

for a long time, we also didn't get any pay for this either.

Can you clarify this? I don't recall Canada being a country that allows employees to go without pay for services performed.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

It's politicized by default.

No, it wasn't like that at all from beginning.

We were all watching TV or following the news reports of what was happening in China at the tail end of 2019 to the start of 2020. China had imposed lockdowns and curfews on Wuhan, and even built emergency field hospitals to deal with the outbreak.

Whoever thought treating sick people was "political" is a dumbass, and yet the next months that came after showed how many morons actually exist in real life. If every government had made the same response (instead of opening the borders, and letting every sick passenger off planes), we would have been out of this mess already.

I did read it, and it was unclear regarding your particular role. You mentioned that you were at the epicenter (which could mean that you had family/friends in hospital, worked administrative roles that deal with the facilities, or really quite a number of things), saying that it's impossible to work in the field right now (can be taken as opinion from observing others that work the field), and that your friend is a nurse (you structured your sentence to say that your friend is also a nurse-- making it unclear as to whether you're also a nurse, or that "also" was just used to indicate addendum). You dismissed the heavy corruption that I tried to bring to your attention within the medical industry in the US vs Canada by bringing up the rest.

I don't care about no corruption. I'm talking about what both me, and the Canadian Army saw as we toured through these places, and we both can confirm that there was gross negligence going on. I actually feel bad for some Nurses who were demanding access to PPE as the virus was starting to rage harder, yet their requests were denied because again, we had anti-mask directors who thought Covid was "just a flu". Now they're responsible for the deaths of several Nurses who were just trying to do their job.

Can you clarify this? I don't recall Canada being a country that allows employees to go without pay for services performed.

AHAHAHAHAHA

Let me guess. You also think we get paid for overtime too, right?

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No, it wasn't like that at all from beginning.

I'm talking about the medical industry itself. It's extremely politicized. Just look at abortion, guided suicide, allowing children to transition with surgery or meds, whether or not certain things should be covered and why/why not, pharmaceutical lobbying, etc. It's bloated with politics. The world doesn't revolve around your personal system of ethics, and something that should be as simple as caring for patients and mitigating disease revolves around more than one professional opinion (whether misguided, well guided, whatever) of how that should happen.

Let me guess. You also think we get paid for overtime too, right?

Are you salaried? I assumed there was at least some sort of silver lining to living in that corrupted hellscape, but I guess not. Lol.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I'm talking about the medical industry itself. It's extremely politicized. Just look at abortion, guided suicide, allowing children to transition with surgery or meds, whether or not certain things should be covered and why/why not, pharmaceutical lobbying, etc. It's bloated with politics. The world doesn't revolve around your personal system of ethics, and something that should be as simple as caring for patients and mitigating disease revolves around more than one professional opinion (whether misguided, well guided, whatever) of how that should happen.

Ok, but I'm talking about the Covid crisis, and not trannies mutilating themselves.

I make the distinction because the medical world was a different place before 2019. The only comparable example might have been the 2003 SARS outbreak, but the scale was much smaller.

Are you salaried? I assumed there was at least some sort of silver lining to living in that corrupted hellscape, but I guess not. Lol.

Canada is far from paradise. It took until April 2021 for my provincial government to even enact a sick day program, and it only covers 3 days.

https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/doug-ford-defends-3-day-sick-day-program-after-ontario-science-table-says-it-is-not-enough-1.5408660

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It has been politically involved for decades, arguably far longer. Covid just exposed the nastier bits that were swept under the rug, and made for a chaos that individualistic societies aren't prepared to deal with.

The Ford government's sick leave program, which will give employees three days of paid emergency leave during COVID-19, passed the legislature Thursday. His government has previously described the plan as “the most comprehensive plan in the entire country" and the best in North America.

Is this including days required if quarantine was expected?

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

My provincial government constantly puts out word salads, I've given up trying to understand them.

I found one source that mentions quarantine, but even the last sentence is a headscratcher.

https://www.osler.com/en/resources/regulations/2021/ontario-employers-must-provide-new-paid-covid-19-leave

The employee is in quarantine, isolation, self-isolation or subject to another control measure as a result of information or direction related to COVID-19, issued to the public or to an individual, by a public health official, a qualified health practitioner, Telehealth Ontario, the Ontario or Canadian Government, a municipal council or a board of health. It is unclear what other “control measures” would be.

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https://www.canada.ca/en/services/benefits/covid19-emergency-benefits.html

Ok, so the Canada Recovery Sickness Benefit covers for that period of illness. That's a federal benefit, if I understand this correctly. There appear to be a pretty decent amount of safety nets available. So they key here is to ignore local government bullshit unless it's beneficial, and file for federal benefits if necessary.