Something I don't get regarding Nationalists and the vaccine

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[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (4 children)

I mean.. it's not ebola. You get it once from your patient load or wherever the hell you obtained it from and then carry on. It's a tough work load, and likely a massive pain in the ass, but it's not impossible. Anyone that fears handling patients dealing with infectious disease or their personal items, or can't handle dealing with potential death has no business being in the healthcare field where they're working directly with people. It proves how many people go into this field that have bare minimum passion or dedication for it, and just want paychecks.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Well damn, you cracked the case. Medical staff just get sick, and everything returns to normal the next day. Nevermind the fact that staff gets burned out because the number of patients with Covid increases everyday. Nope, can't possibly have anything to do with that.

Have you considered applying for a CEO position and sharing your wisdom with every other hospital in America or Europe?

Edit: And oh yeah, when Nurses are forced to quarantine from the disease, guess who is expected to cover their shifts? It's basically transferring the burden onto the next person until there's no one left to put up with this nonsense. Hence why there are constant staffing issues.

It proves how many people go into this field that have bare minimum passion or dedication for it, and just want paychecks.

It's a job that puts your life on the line everyday just to save someone else who may not even care about you or act like the virus is fake. Of course you would expect a better paycheck.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

Alright now, smartass, just dismiss everything that I said as me claiming to be able to solve everything.

I understand burnout. I also understand that there are some of these places intentionally understaffing while their overarching hospital system buys up smaller surgical centers and other hospitals-- this will eventually become a monopolization. They treat their employees like dog shit too. A friend of mine has half his department out with it, was tested himself as positive at another facility (due to having symptoms), and then forced to take his sickly ass over there to do their own in-house rapid testing that uses the exact same technology-- only to get a negative. Instead of being cautious with a symptomatic employee and performing testing with a longer wait time and higher accuracy, they'll just take their chances on which of those rapid tests was the true result and have him plague rat about the place. That same facility refused to hire cleaning staff in some areas, left blood stained flooring in a walkway for over a week, and even put patients in rooms that weren't properly cleaned, leaving behind used patient care items in rooms. That wasn't even at the peak, and it's an extremely expensive hospital.

You live in Canada, you don't have to deal with the shystery, and frankly unsafe practices involved in the US medical industry. Pretending that these CEOs give a shit about anything other than money in their pockets is foolishness.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You live in Canada, you don't have to deal with the shystery, and frankly unsafe practices involved in the US medical industry.

Oh no, that's not true at all. For the last 12 months, I was directly at the epicenter of the Covid chaos. So much so, there have been multiple lawsuits launched against these medical facilities because the Directors/CEO's in charge, tried to downplay the virus which got several medical staff killed.

You're actually making my argument for me. Working in the medical field has been impossible, because since day one, we had to deal with nutsos in both the government, and the public at large, who believed trying to protect medical workers was a waste of time.

Once again, the only solution to a biological pandemic is a strong Nationalist government. A good friend of mine who also happens to be a Nurse that was doing constant 24 hour shifts also agreed with me. A high trust, homogenous society would value its population and do everything it can to minimize the damage. In Canada, the multicultural landscape actually showed how AWFUL combatting a virus is, because we got morons from different cultures who think throwing large parties and infecting hundreds of people is their god given right, even if it ends up killing people in the process. These same people too were also hopping on planes and traveling back and forth from the most infected countries (i.e India) and bringing back with them more viruses and their mutations. Whenever I voiced my opinion that this type of behavior is destructive, the answer I got was "you're just being racist".

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I'm gonna restructure my statement here, because the first one dismissed pretty important details and I admit to jumping the gun on answering. The medical industry attracts a lot of people that want the decent pay (and status in the upper ends)-- a lot of doctors that don't give a shit about patients, a lot of nurses that just wanted good pay for minimal education. This fucks people with passion for those roles over, because when it comes down to bigger events-- the ones that don't give a shit won't stick around. So you're going to naturally have people unwilling to go back to the field while covid is still going on. The ones that stay get reamed by the system, fucked for all their worth, and left with compromised immune systems from stress/being overworked/lack of rest. They still know what they're getting into, and many continue because infectious diseases aren't a deterrent, they're part of the job. Infection while you're run down (whether by staffing problems from shystery business practices or people not wanting to do those jobs anymore) will get you fucked up though. So yes, while they're being overworked-- not a great idea to be in vulnerable positions, under normal and not strained circumstances the dedicated ones would be handling this shit like a very busy peak. Is this making sense?

Outside of that, we've fucked up society and left it vulnerable to disease already. Allowing abysmal healthcare, letting government institutions like the FDA be corrupted with lobbying, allowing food ingredients and medications to be freely thrown at patients without proper analysis of the results, not incentivizing exercise programs for your people, etc., etc.. All of these things lead to unhealthy populations that are vulnerable from the get-go. I'm not going to argue with you on the dangers that can come with forced multiculturalism from developing countries. I nearly shat a condominium when my too young to be fully vaccinated with an MMR son was laying there with 104°F fevers. Fevers that weren't going down when we had a measles outbreak years back during the last big refugee crisis. I know very well that those "refugees" came from many different countries, and we got an extraordinarily small number of actual Syrians. Most of those countries weren't required to have vaccinations either and are medically risky to be allowed in public places where babies and very young children might be exposed to potential illnesses they could bring. My concern isn't race, it's disease control, and if they were white and unvaccinated or just trying to leech benefits I would tell them to turn right the hell back around too. They're not expected to carry the same standards of first-world nations for whatever reason, and that screws actual citizens over. Alas, we're expected to set ourselves on fire to keep others warm.