Killstream Post-Mortem w. The Boys

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[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

To simplify a message, first you need to have one. Similarly, philosophy is invaluable if it is done well.

Yep. The people who think the alt/dissident right today is 'too big brained' are hilarious. I'd love to see these guys tackling Hegel and Gentile; or Heidegger and Schmitt etc.

The issue is actually the exact opposite, revolutionary nationalists back then actually read the newspapers, attended the speeches, read Mein Kampf and the other 30~ books on the NS reading list etc. The average member of a shirt movement in the 20s and 30s was well educated on politics and his own movement's struggle. The average alt/dissident righter today is just a conservatard that likes to say nigger, the reason we are unable to get anything done is because our ranks are either too stupid or too intellectually lazy to educate themselves and actually try to get anything done.

The /r/BritishNationalism sub got banned but they exemplified this issue. They were all race realist, pro-white, most were jew aware to some extent. But all of them are basically just Churchill worshipping antifa neocon retards. They have successfully adopted the 'simplified' messaging of the alt right IE the form, with none of the substance.

By the way, Stennes from reddit has translated Rudolf Jung's National Socialism book and is giving it away for free if you're interested.

[–]NeoRail 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I think that stupidity wouldn't be an issue if there was an organisation with an intelligent strategy directing the efforts of all political forces, but especially today anti-system politics are the most individualist, decentralised and disorganised they have ever been. Consequently any increase in numbers or resources only translates into slightly louder whining.

Thank you for mentioning the translation, I may take a look at it later. It's still hard to believe that most of the National Socialist material is not already translated.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Yep, it's a bit of a chicken and egg situation too. This hypothetical organisation can only come to exist once it has some funding, which is going to require many thousands of people to straighten up.

Thank you for mentioning the translation, I may take a look at it later. It's still hard to believe that most of the National Socialist material is not already translated.

Worse yet a lot of it is lost to history too

[–]NeoRail 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Worse yet a lot of it is lost to history too

Do you have anything particular in mind?

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Nothing in particular, just random things you see referenced. Half of the reading list from here doesn't exist in English for example, I think a lot of it is lost even in German too.

[–]JuliusCaesar225Nationalist + Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

but especially today anti-system politics are the most individualist, decentralised and disorganised they have ever been.

That is an interesting point. The internet has increased levels of dissent from the current system and its ideology but the dissent is completely unorganized. Pre Internet if you wanted to engage with likeminded others you would have to form some type of group or organization to do so. An organized structure also results in superior leaders rising to the top.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

But you're just a midwit though. Caspar said it so it must be true. /S

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

It's worse than that, I'm two halfwits inside a big coat

[–]JuliusCaesar225Nationalist + Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The simplified message ends up just being shitposting and memeing which far out weighs the intellectual commentary on the Right. If anything it is the former holding us back. It is true the masses are not going to be interested in more complex discussions but that doesn't mean we should reject such things. Fostering a dissident academic and intellectual culture is important to cultivate or you'll never be able to challenge the ruling ideology and its institutions.