Islam is collapsing

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[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

This is great news honestly. Islam has been a primary agent of civilizational ruin over the last 1.5 millennia. It destroyed Classical civilization entirely and ruined the genetics of the middle east by importing endless hordes of negro slaves. Although they castrated the male negroes, they have bred with the female negroes to some extent. Middle easterners in the past were not as dim and violent as they are now.

Plus, lowering birth rates means less of a threat against Europe. Low birth rates don't stimulate massive migratory waves and societies with fewer children tend to be very wary of war and casualties. France for example was the first country in Europe and perhaps the world to fall to sub-replacement fertility following WW1 while Germany, Britain, and Russia all had TFRs well above 2.

Consequently, France during the 30s and up to 1940 was excessively shy of war with Germany. They cucked out of a confrontation with Germany during the Rhineland and Saarland crisis even though they had an overwhelming military advantage over a freshly rearming Germany at the time. Even after the war started, they made no effort to save the poles with an attack on Germany, and during the battle of France itself, they were quite lethargic.

Germany and Russia otoh had high TFRs and had no qualms about launching massive offensives. We can see this with the US today as well. Despite having overwhelming military superiority over Iran, Venezuela, and Russia, she cucked out of a fight with them. US command is too squeamish about casualties.

The fall of Islam would also deprive the Arabs of their single biggest mobilization factor: Islam. Without it, they have no reason to wage fanatical wars or terrorist operations. They'd just sit in their homes and smoke hookah.

[–]outrageousboote 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Significant negro admixture in the majority of MENA causing changes in behaviour is unlikely, this is just an HBD "just so" story, if MENAs act a certain way its due to the negroes. I have seen people claim that Iran's IQ is only barely above that of American blacks because of black admixture when it's more likely that Richard Lynn simply is wrong about Iranian IQ like he is about east asian or south/east European IQ.

"The fall of Islam would also deprive the Arabs of their single biggest mobilization factor: Islam. Without it, they have no reason to wage fanatical wars or terrorist operations. They'd just sit in their homes and smoke hookah."

Islam was not able to assert itself civilizationally/militarily against the west after the prime of the Ottoman empire, instead taking advantage of the West's good will/weakness through immigration, sporadic spectacle terrorism and appeals to anti-bigotry and the like in the modern day, I wouldn't fear an offensive military jihadist operation from an Islamic power like the Islamic conquests of old, let alone from Arabs as it is not feasible any time soon.

I do think that a decrease in the influence of Islam in MENA would have an overall salutary effect on MENA behaviour and decrease the power of Islam which is seen by many as a rallying point for the juvenile militancy of coloreds and the "oppressed" around the world (think Islam in black American communities).

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

The Ottoman Empire declined only in the late 18th century. For most of Islam's history, it was on the offensive against Europe. It occupied Spain for 700 years and just as Spain liberated itself it invaded and conquered the Balkans. They chaffed under Ottoman tyranny for hundreds of years until the Russians liberated them in 1877-78.

Europe in contrast held territories in the Islamic middle east only sparsely. They held some enclaves in the Levant during the crusading era and occupied the middle east for a few decades following WW1.

Take this as Islams' virility or Christianity's weakness but Islam has been quite the potent force against Europe.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I have seen people claim that Iran's IQ is only barely above that of American blacks because of black admixture when it's more likely that Richard Lynn simply is wrong about Iranian IQ like he is about east asian or south/east European IQ.

Iran's IQ is probably due to inbreeding.

[–]outrageousboote 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I think it's likely that Iran's IQ is inferior, but not similar to American blacks as Richard Lynn and others claim, as it is suspected they are developing nukes, it's unlikely that any black nations are capable of developing nukes/missiles, people could claim it's a jew lie but still.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

they'd still be smarter than africans since while they are mixed with them it's not 100% african they still have their arab genetics.

[–]SoylentCapitalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

it's unlikely that any black nations are capable of developing nukes/missiles

Black nations are not the same as African-Americans. African-Americans are 25% white on average and of the Northwest European kind. This is partly the reason Lynn cites their IQ similar to Iranians. Even if Iran is suspected of developing nukes they would've never achieved progress in that regard without outside aid and influences.

[–]JuliusCaesar225Nationalist + Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Your telling me you believe African Americans can have well ordered and functioning society like Iranians?

[–]SoylentCapitalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VslKKgYvVKU

I do think Iranians are smarter than African-Americans and that Lynn is wrong, not by much probably.

[–]SoylentCapitalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

when it's more likely that Richard Lynn simply is wrong about Iranian IQ like he is about east asian or south/east European IQ

Lynn got a lot wrong but good luck getting most people here to admit it. MENA does have fairly significant sub-Saharan admixture though.

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-990b922bba92176c2f8c73e45e2064f6

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The fall of Islam would also deprive the Arabs of their single biggest mobilization factor: Islam. Without it, they have no reason to wage fanatical wars or terrorist operations. They'd just sit in their homes and smoke hookah.

This.