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[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 11 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

I'm totally skeptical about the 'Arab Barometer'. Co-founder is a Jewish scholar who has worked for the Brookings Institute and receives massive amounts of grants from among others Jewish NGO's and the State Department. Clearly they have a vested interest in promoting this idea that especially Iran is just begging to embrace liberal modernity and throw off the hated ebil Mullahs. He also gets an astonishing amount of money from Qatar who are obviously regional enemies of Iran. One wonders how these people consider themselves scholars. Doesn't mean it's nescessarily wrong but one should at least question that.

Here's his CV: https://cps.isr.umich.edu/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/Mark-Tessler-vita-April-2020.pdf

Can't find much information about GAMAAN though it seems like another NGO run outside of Iran in Europe probably populated by ex-pats with their own axe to grind. Would be interested to know who's funding it and wouldn't be surprised if it's people with the same agenda as the ones funding Tessler.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I don't know about the legitimacy of this stuff but if they're anything like the ones in England then I'm not surprised they're becoming less religious to be honest, MENAs and Indian subcontinentals are second only to blacks in terms of their small souledness and shallow materialism.

Muslim guys combine black conspicuous consumption with their obsession with shitty brands, cars and jewellery, mixed with the white kind of metrosexuality. Then to top it off they're all obsessed, literally to the man, with electronic gadgets and gizmos.

Muslim guys are seriously quite pathetic, they're actually probably more contemptible in this respect than blacks because at least blacks are just trying to flex wealth and masculinity. The pakis, arabs etc are also hyper bugmen and have a feminine, metrosexual, aura around their conspicuous consumption.

[–]VraiBleuScots Protestant, Ulster Loyalist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The pakis, arabs etc are also hyper bugmen and have a feminine, metrosexual, aura

Yeah I’m not sure how to describe it but I know exactly what you mean. I’ve seen Paki/Arab guys in their 30’s (in England) laying in their beds using face-time with their mates, giggling like little girls, brushing their hair back at jokes & generally acting like compete fags. Half of them spend their time consuming product, high on coke & screwing underage girls & boys. The ‘Islamophobe’ Tommy Robinson types are wrong, Sharia Law is not the future. The degenerate Liberal melting pot is

With that said, we should differentiate between Muslims in the west who’ve abandoned religion in exchange for Globo-homo vs the genuine Arab and Iranian Nationalists that just happen to be secular. I reckon a lot of people in these polls belong to the latter group.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Are many of them atheists/irreligious? The Arab nationalists I've known, even the ones advocating Ba'athism (secular) have all been muslim.

[–]VraiBleuScots Protestant, Ulster Loyalist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It can be a cultural indicator there as much as anything, I’ve met Syrians that told me in private that they’re atheist/agnostic but still go to church or mosque & identify with their religious group. It’s hard to say how many because they would never admit this in public

[–]Ponderer 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Clearly they have a vested interest in promoting this idea that especially Iran is just begging to embrace liberal modernity and throw off the hated ebil Mullahs.

This makes sense.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Arab Barometer didn't do the survey in Iran.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'm not surprised a Jew is behind the Arab Barometer but the only thing that matters here is the methodology, which is sound.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

From their own explanation of the methodology on the GAMAAN website:

The Group for Analyzing and Measuring Attitudes in Iran (GAMAAN) conducted the “Election Survey” survey from May 27 to June 3, 2021. This survey was conducted online using a specialized and secure platform.

• The sampling method was multiple chain-referral sampling through social media (Telegram, Instagram, WhatsApp, and Twitter). Around 80,000 respondents living inside and outside Iran participated in the study (see the Appendix for more methodological information).

So non-Iranians were included and obviously it's from a lot of people using totally pozzed social media platforms. I'm no expert on surveys but call me crazy and a suspicious crank if you like but that could create a sample bias.

Also it's an online survey. Easily exploitable. At least Arab Barometer does face to face and phone interviews.

Like I said I'd be skeptical but that's my opinion.

https://gamaan.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/GAMAAN-Iran-Religion-Survey-2020-English.pdf

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

This is great news honestly. Islam has been a primary agent of civilizational ruin over the last 1.5 millennia. It destroyed Classical civilization entirely and ruined the genetics of the middle east by importing endless hordes of negro slaves. Although they castrated the male negroes, they have bred with the female negroes to some extent. Middle easterners in the past were not as dim and violent as they are now.

Plus, lowering birth rates means less of a threat against Europe. Low birth rates don't stimulate massive migratory waves and societies with fewer children tend to be very wary of war and casualties. France for example was the first country in Europe and perhaps the world to fall to sub-replacement fertility following WW1 while Germany, Britain, and Russia all had TFRs well above 2.

Consequently, France during the 30s and up to 1940 was excessively shy of war with Germany. They cucked out of a confrontation with Germany during the Rhineland and Saarland crisis even though they had an overwhelming military advantage over a freshly rearming Germany at the time. Even after the war started, they made no effort to save the poles with an attack on Germany, and during the battle of France itself, they were quite lethargic.

Germany and Russia otoh had high TFRs and had no qualms about launching massive offensives. We can see this with the US today as well. Despite having overwhelming military superiority over Iran, Venezuela, and Russia, she cucked out of a fight with them. US command is too squeamish about casualties.

The fall of Islam would also deprive the Arabs of their single biggest mobilization factor: Islam. Without it, they have no reason to wage fanatical wars or terrorist operations. They'd just sit in their homes and smoke hookah.

[–]outrageousboote 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Significant negro admixture in the majority of MENA causing changes in behaviour is unlikely, this is just an HBD "just so" story, if MENAs act a certain way its due to the negroes. I have seen people claim that Iran's IQ is only barely above that of American blacks because of black admixture when it's more likely that Richard Lynn simply is wrong about Iranian IQ like he is about east asian or south/east European IQ.

"The fall of Islam would also deprive the Arabs of their single biggest mobilization factor: Islam. Without it, they have no reason to wage fanatical wars or terrorist operations. They'd just sit in their homes and smoke hookah."

Islam was not able to assert itself civilizationally/militarily against the west after the prime of the Ottoman empire, instead taking advantage of the West's good will/weakness through immigration, sporadic spectacle terrorism and appeals to anti-bigotry and the like in the modern day, I wouldn't fear an offensive military jihadist operation from an Islamic power like the Islamic conquests of old, let alone from Arabs as it is not feasible any time soon.

I do think that a decrease in the influence of Islam in MENA would have an overall salutary effect on MENA behaviour and decrease the power of Islam which is seen by many as a rallying point for the juvenile militancy of coloreds and the "oppressed" around the world (think Islam in black American communities).

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

The Ottoman Empire declined only in the late 18th century. For most of Islam's history, it was on the offensive against Europe. It occupied Spain for 700 years and just as Spain liberated itself it invaded and conquered the Balkans. They chaffed under Ottoman tyranny for hundreds of years until the Russians liberated them in 1877-78.

Europe in contrast held territories in the Islamic middle east only sparsely. They held some enclaves in the Levant during the crusading era and occupied the middle east for a few decades following WW1.

Take this as Islams' virility or Christianity's weakness but Islam has been quite the potent force against Europe.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I have seen people claim that Iran's IQ is only barely above that of American blacks because of black admixture when it's more likely that Richard Lynn simply is wrong about Iranian IQ like he is about east asian or south/east European IQ.

Iran's IQ is probably due to inbreeding.

[–]outrageousboote 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I think it's likely that Iran's IQ is inferior, but not similar to American blacks as Richard Lynn and others claim, as it is suspected they are developing nukes, it's unlikely that any black nations are capable of developing nukes/missiles, people could claim it's a jew lie but still.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

they'd still be smarter than africans since while they are mixed with them it's not 100% african they still have their arab genetics.

[–]SoylentCapitalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

it's unlikely that any black nations are capable of developing nukes/missiles

Black nations are not the same as African-Americans. African-Americans are 25% white on average and of the Northwest European kind. This is partly the reason Lynn cites their IQ similar to Iranians. Even if Iran is suspected of developing nukes they would've never achieved progress in that regard without outside aid and influences.

[–]JuliusCaesar225Nationalist + Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Your telling me you believe African Americans can have well ordered and functioning society like Iranians?

[–]SoylentCapitalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VslKKgYvVKU

I do think Iranians are smarter than African-Americans and that Lynn is wrong, not by much probably.

[–]SoylentCapitalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

when it's more likely that Richard Lynn simply is wrong about Iranian IQ like he is about east asian or south/east European IQ

Lynn got a lot wrong but good luck getting most people here to admit it. MENA does have fairly significant sub-Saharan admixture though.

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-990b922bba92176c2f8c73e45e2064f6

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The fall of Islam would also deprive the Arabs of their single biggest mobilization factor: Islam. Without it, they have no reason to wage fanatical wars or terrorist operations. They'd just sit in their homes and smoke hookah.

This.

[–]JuliusCaesar225Nationalist + Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Through the internet I'v noticed that Iranians seem way less religious than Arabs who still seem to be extremely passionate about Islam. Often if you come across an Arabic video on youtube the commentary is full of comments about Allah and Mohammad even though the video has nothing to due with religion. Not only do I never see that with Iranians but I often come across Iranians who are against Islam.

There is a division among Iranian nationalists similar to the West, some embrace Islam with others consider it a foreign religion that has corrupted their potential. Most of the youth hates the Islamic regime which is probably increasing secularization and anti Islamic views among them.

Edit - Also, if you watch a city walk video filmed in a Arab muslim country most of the woman are wearing hijab that covers their whole hair and neck leaving only their face showing. In Iran which is one of the few countries that mandates wearing hijab, most women only wear a loose scarf over their heads revealing most of their hair.

Tehran - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cZXZo1ew2w - Honestly it looks nicer than every American city today.

[–]RichtoffLud 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Idk if this is really a good news, Islam isn't the main problem in the West, it's far from it, actually. Muslins are not really islamic, they are "westernized" islamics people, many went to west through external incentives, (that we all know where it comes from). If there are many Muslims in your country, it's your people's fault for accepting them, not Islam, and there are some strands within Islam, not all of them want to externalize the religion. If atheism is growing in the Middle East, it means that it is being "westernized", i don't see advantage of extinguishing a religion that is the birthplace of the region. Remember, to blame Islam for your country's hedonistic, multicultural, degenerate, drug and feminism issues, queer, usury and atheism, is to turn a blind eye to the true enemy of the West.

[–]Jacinda 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Islamic countries are some of the most fertile in the world. Even if they become increasingly secularised the demographic momentum means that radical Islam is going to continue to be a destabilising force.

Asia Times:

By 2085, the number of South Asian Muslims – Pakistanis, Bengalis, Indonesians and Indian Muslims – will exceed the total number of East Asians, assuming constant fertility.

Southeast and South Asian Muslims will number 2 billion by the end of the century, nearly double the population of East Asia. Projections of this sort never are accurate, but the relative magnitudes make the point: The populations susceptible to jihadist influence are enormous and growing.

The educated and literate Muslim countries like Turkey and Iran have fertility rates well below replacement. Pakistan, with a literacy rate barely above 50%, still has four live births per female. [Cont...]

[–]TheJamesRocket 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Islam managed to hold out longer, but it is ultimately suffering the same fate as Christianity. Religious faiths of all kinds are losing believers.

[–]DisgustResponse 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Muslim countries have no history of liberalism, so we're only just starting to find out now whether the Muslim population contains "natural liberals".

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Need to airdrop copies of the Avesta all over Iran