An honest question to the pro-vax people on this sub, why do you trust the state on the vaccine issue?

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[–]FrenologistSaving the World 1 Cranial Exam at a Time 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Ignore anything you think is schizo and consider the negatives associated with all of this covid hysteria:

1) Never-ending lockdowns (there's zero science to support them and they won't stop once everyone is vaccinated)

2) Mask mandates (they don't work and like lockdowns these mandates probably won't go away)

3) Vaccine passports (while not widespread in the USA they are coming and they'll never go away)

4) Mandatory vaccines (drug companies with track records of knowingly pushing harmful products have immunity)

We're on the slippery slope and we keep sliding further down. Covid will never end so masks, lockdowns and vaccines will never end. The government will never give up it's new-found powers (governments never do). All of this top-down control will be used for carbon credits/taxes. The pass will become your entire life and if you don't go get the next booster when its time then you'll be locked out of living your life--no food, money, job, medical care, etc. Anyone who can't see this coming must be asleep at the wheel. Regardless of the efficacy of the vaccine which, we know is virtually zero and regardless any side-effects, the loss of our freedoms is more than enough reason to refuse the vaxx.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

The issue was too much liberalism in the first place. The issue was our governments weren't willing to act decisively.

Serious people were calling for closed borders immediately in December 2019 when the first reports of it appearing in China came out. I remember seeing China was locking people in their houses, everyone was freaked out and calling for closed borders because obviously this thing is fucking serious.

What did our governments do? Stupid lolbert bullshit you're advocating for. Your liberal thinking is exactly what caused all of this stuff you're crying about to happen. If we had serious governments they would have closed the borders immediately, did a serious lockdown for about a month, and be done with it. Instead we got these gay libertarian, barely even half measures and now we've been suffering for almost 2 whole years.

The issue was too much libertarianism and incompetent authority, not authoritarianism.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Your liberal thinking is exactly what caused all of this stuff you're crying about to happen

I don't think I've seen /u/frenologist make a liberal comment at all. There's certainly no 'liberal thinking' in the comment you're replying to.

In general your comment doesn't make sense. Are you seriously trying to suggest that the reason we are still dealing with covid shit is because the government wasn't authoritarian enough the first few months? Are you familiar with Hegelian dialectic? Problem reaction solution. This covid thing is another manufactured crisis to break down borders and continue to break the backs of white people as a collective group with resources rights and power. This wasn't a real pandemic at all. Please provide evidence that covid is a real and serious threat that requires fascist level government response.

Also let's assume under certain circumstances a strong unified government is needed. Why do you want this anti white anti male anti christian anti truth government to have those powers (even if it's a legit need)? Do you really think they are just going to use them temporarily to get rid of a corona virus and then give them back?

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't think I've seen /u/frenologist make a liberal comment at all. There's certainly no 'liberal thinking' in the comment you're replying to.

His entire comment was libertarian/personal liberty/muh freedumbs rhetoric lol?

Are you seriously trying to suggest that the reason we are still dealing with covid shit is because the government wasn't authoritarian enough the first few months?

Yes. A serious government would have closed the borders initially, which was the most dissident right position I saw back then along with every normie I knew irl was saying they hope the government protects us from this scary new virus by closing the border and shit. They ignored the threat because they wanted to keep the economy open and then the virus came to our countries. If we had a serious government they would have followed the example of the Chinese state which was literally bolting people into their houses and delivering food to their doors. They put the health and security of their people over the prosperity of the economy.

The incompetency and greed of the liberals is what caused covid to spread here. Not a carefully concocted plan that against as I mentioned, would require the collaboration of literally millions of people around the entire planet in various governments, NGOs, medical industry etc. It's possible that they did indeed allow it to spread on purpose in anticipation of making hella vaxbucks, I wouldn't put it past them but it's really just more likely that they are retard liberals who just wanted the Big Line to keep going up and then it was too late once covid was already in Europe and America.

This covid thing is another manufactured crisis to break down borders and continue to break the backs of white people as a collective group with resources rights and power.

Where's the evidence of this? Why can't you just accept that things actually happen in the world and the powerful have power and thus have the ability to use every situation to their advantage? Not everything is some faked global conspiracy psyop that requires the cooperation of literally every state on Earth, this is insanity.

Please provide evidence that covid is a real and serious threat that requires fascist level government response.

I said that's what the response would have been of a serious state with the information they had at the very beginning, IE 1 year and 9 months ago now. I'm not saying that's what they should do now.

Also let's assume under certain circumstances a strong unified government is needed. Why do you want this anti white anti male anti christian anti truth government to have those powers (even if it's a legit need)? Do you really think they are just going to use them temporarily to get rid of a corona virus and then give them back?

They already do have 'those powers*, they have more power than any fascist government ever did. You have no freedom already, there's no more power to give to them. This is just a cope pretending there's something left for them to take that you're holding the last line of defense before the Big TyrannyTM comes. It's just silly conservative/libertarian type thinking that presupposes the existence of a society that you belong to that has some modicum of power against the bad guys who want to take it. No different to the racist libtard 'get off my lawn nationalism' or 'demographics will mean the GOP can never win again!' and other similar things. In reality there's no transaction, there's nothing more for them to take from you because you have no power.

I recognise they do have power, I don't delude myself into thinking I have any say in what they do. I recognise we're under a hostile occupation and it's not anywhere near my ability to affect how they exercise their power, it's completely delusional to believe otherwise.