An honest question to the pro-vax people on this sub, why do you trust the state on the vaccine issue?

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[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 15 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 2 fun -  (16 children)

I'd just like to hear their rationalization for getting the vaccine or supporting the vaccine mandate.

I don't do either of these things but I do criticise the anti-vax stuff. The reason why is because none of the arguments make sense, it's all bog standard crazy schizo shit just substituting in 'Covid' and 'vax' around the usual format of the 'NWO genociding everyone apart from 500 million' theory.

If you guys just say you don't want to get it because you don't think it's had sufficient testing (true), you're young and healthy (I hope it's true), you're scared of needles (is prolly true for a lot of people) etc I wouldn't say a thing. I just have an issue against lunatic tier conspiracies about how the elites are trying to genocide everyone who supports them, starting with the jews, for reasons that have absolutely no coherence. Also nobody's theories align and everybody's theories constantly change, so they don't even align with themselves and are constantly proven wrong then they just make up a new theory.

Remember at first it was the bioweapon to wipe out humanity, then all of a sudden it didn't exist and was actually a conspiracy of every single government, along with everyone who works in medicine and hospitals etc in the entire world. Then all of a sudden the vaccine became the bioweapon. Then when the vaccine's death rate wasn't sufficient for that narrative I was told this is just a trial run to make people obedient to take vaccines to prepare people for the real bioweapon that's coming in the future. The other theory is that this is a slow-drip poison that is going to kill people over the long run, convenient unfalsifiable narrative.

Can you guys not see how obviously stupid this all is? Just don't take the vax if you don't want it. Conspiratard shit is gay.

[–]FrenologistSaving the World 1 Cranial Exam at a Time 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

Ignore anything you think is schizo and consider the negatives associated with all of this covid hysteria:

1) Never-ending lockdowns (there's zero science to support them and they won't stop once everyone is vaccinated)

2) Mask mandates (they don't work and like lockdowns these mandates probably won't go away)

3) Vaccine passports (while not widespread in the USA they are coming and they'll never go away)

4) Mandatory vaccines (drug companies with track records of knowingly pushing harmful products have immunity)

We're on the slippery slope and we keep sliding further down. Covid will never end so masks, lockdowns and vaccines will never end. The government will never give up it's new-found powers (governments never do). All of this top-down control will be used for carbon credits/taxes. The pass will become your entire life and if you don't go get the next booster when its time then you'll be locked out of living your life--no food, money, job, medical care, etc. Anyone who can't see this coming must be asleep at the wheel. Regardless of the efficacy of the vaccine which, we know is virtually zero and regardless any side-effects, the loss of our freedoms is more than enough reason to refuse the vaxx.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

1) Lockdowns clearly work for Australia and China. They don't work if you're gonna do them half-ass way, which is what most of our governments did.

2) Anti-mask stuff was stupid since the beginning, and only lolbertiest of lolberts were not ashamed to pull constitution or something and read it to some minimum wage worker.

3) Vaccine passports, oh well, predictable thing, but it is what it is. I think they're stupid, especially for us who are vaccinated.

4) Mandatory vaccines are only negative if you start with assumption that vaccine is bad. Many vaccines are mandatory and you can't go to public school without them or whatever.

I'm willing to criticize government for political plays they're playing with vaccines, the corruption that is happening on national level where whole states buy only Pfizer, health institutions for their incompetence and bafoonery (they flip-flopped on every single fucking issue), but I also think this antivax stuff is stupid and overblown, it's just another finkelthink.

EDIT: I don't support lockdowns now, they're of no worth as it is, and so many people got screwed by them. Again, government incompetence.

[–]FrenologistSaving the World 1 Cranial Exam at a Time 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

1) Lockdowns clearly work for Australia and China.

The lockdowns in China were nothing but, show for the Western world. The lockdowns in Australia are nothing but, a power-play because there's virtually no covid there.

2) Anti-mask stuff was stupid since the beginning

Masking is retarded because the covid molecule is so small it passes right through the mask fabric. There's ZERO science to back up masking other than circle-jerk peer-review which, is the same way we ended up with holocaust history.

3) Vaccine passports, oh well, predictable thing

Very good sheep. OBEY. Acquiesce is the enemy.

4) Mandatory vaccines are only negative if you start with assumption that vaccine is bad

How about the proven science that covid has a 99.98% survival-rate? Why even bother to vaccinate for it? This is outright stupidity--there's no scientific or health benefit for the general population.

5) I'm willing to criticize government for political plays

Are you? the 4 points you presented say otherwise.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

a power-play because there's virtually no covid there.

That's how you do lockdowns actually, when you have one or two cases, not when you have thousands.

Masking is retarded because the covid molecule is so small it passes right through the mask fabric.

You have to be retarded to think masks don't work lol, water molecules can pass through cloth too, but when someone sprinkles water on your shirt you won't get wet.

Very good sheep. OBEY. Acquiesce is the enemy.

Ok schizo. Acquiesce with speed limit regulations is also enemy, I assume.

How about the proven science that covid has a 99.98% survival-rate?

This data is fake, it doesn't refer to survival rate at all, this was mathematical model crafted in September 2020, this was just possible scenario. You're indulged into DeSantis' bullshit too much. We see how well Florida is doing rn.

[–]FrenologistSaving the World 1 Cranial Exam at a Time 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

That's how you do lockdowns actually, when you have one or two cases, not when you have thousands.

Then explain Sweden retard.

You have to be retarded to think masks don't work lol

Okay retard

Ok schizo. Acquiesce with speed limit regulations is also enemy, I assume.

No surprise a fucking retard would use a false analogy.

This data is fake

Sure retard

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

I just re-read my comment and I'm sorry for too much personal insults. I'm still not convinced by any of your arguments, I literally explained why the survival rate isn't 99.98%. It's more like 98.2%.

I don't disagree with Sweden's approach, it's perfectly valid strategy, but when you compare it to Australia and China it's objectively inferior. Most of our governments are doing the worst possible combo, which is something in between of Sweden and Australia/China.

[–]Yin 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

it's objectively inferior.

Sweden's approach (without respect to any external threats like "vaccines") is objectively superior.

Being able to enjoy life and gain natural immunity is objectively superior.

If you claim objectivity, so will I.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Objectively refers strictly to data.

[–]Yin 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

The point is that data being used for idiotic conclusions isn't logically useful.

It's useful to nation-wreckers.

A robot can produce data that shows the benefits of eliminating/enslaving humans and that not doing so would produce inferior results.

[–]FrenologistSaving the World 1 Cranial Exam at a Time 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What's wrong with Sweden's approach? It appears to be working because Sweden has close to zero covid which, is likely a lot less than China. Would China even tell the world about covid outbreaks?

Why is mas-vaccination needed for a disease that, as you say, has a 98.20% survival rate? There are literally hundreds of diseases with significantly higher mortality rates. Why aren't we mass-vaccinating for those? Why the push for mass-vaccination rather than a push to improve the overall health of those who are most-vulnerable to the disease? As I'm sure you know, obese people are much more vulnerable to covid so why not mandate better eating habits for fat-ass slobs when they're the people who are vulnerable? Why should healthy people who have almost no chance of death or even severe reaction go out of their way to help fat-fucks maintain their unhealthy lifestyles?

I don't agree with the assessment that most governments are doing something, "In between of Sweden and Australia/China." Most countries likely already had heard immunity but, decided to continue with masking, distancing, lockdowns, vaccine mandates and now vaccine passports as nothing but, a pure power-play. I caught covid back in Feb 2020 along with just about every person I know. It spread so fast that it burned itself out--that's why cases peaked and then crashed. Covid didn't have a second peak until mass-vaccination began. Using a leaky vaccine is the cause of variants not the ass-backward, newly-minted science that claims variants are a result of the unvaccinated.

Israel is one of the most-vaccinated countries in the world but, covid is raging there and even the Israeli PM said, "The most vulnerable population at the moment in a paradoxical manner - are the ones who received two vaccination doses but, not the third dose.". So Israel admits the vaccine isn't working and that protection fades over time. Does this make it a forever shot? Will you take the third, fourth, fifth, etc.?