An honest question to the pro-vax people on this sub, why do you trust the state on the vaccine issue?

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[–]YJaewedwqewqClerical Fascist 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (15 children)

I would definitely say the vax is some sort of op, but a lot of the stuff about it is schizo circlejerking. I'm more inclined to believe that it is partially/mostly another "this mostly untested drug is safe, goy" moneymaking scheme.

The issue here is mostly that a lot of the anti-vax (or anti covid vax specifically) say that it is untested. The issue with this isn't that it isn't untrue, it's that it implies that any modern medicine is made in good faith or with actual, rigorous testing.

A lot of modern medicine works just enough to do something while bringing you a bunch of side effects and addiction to net the pharma companies big bucks. Look at Oxy or other opioids; they didn't transmogrify your DNA or make you magnetic, what they did was far less direct but no less sinister: they turn you into an addict.

A lot of this "testing" and FDA approval is "Bobo the chimp didn't burst into flames after taking our pill, so I guess it's safe".

And besides, if you don't trust the government or pharma companies, why on earth would you trust the FDA anyway? If you drink tap water, or eat half the shit on store shelves, you're almost certainly pumping the same or equally harmful chemicals into your body already.

I think it makes WAY more sense to be looking at the long term effects governmentally speaking. Look at the lockdowns and shit. This was never about vaccines, really, it was about the never ending lockdown and the absolute compliance and social engineering.

[–]Ponderer 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

If you drink tap water, or eat half the shit on store shelves, you're almost certainly pumping the same or equally harmful chemicals into your body already.

Could you expand a bit on this, specifically on how to choose healthier food or get better water?

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

Plastic softeners and a boat load of other bullshit makes it into the water supply. Short of getting an extremely good quality water filter for your home, you still end up showering in it even if you change your regular drinking water. When you think about it, that's going to make its way into the foods you consume as well. Animals we consume drink that water, they use it within food processing facilities (along with allowing so much other extremely disgusting shit btw), and it can seep in from the piping used. It's damn near impossible to avoid.

[–]Ponderer 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

Short of getting an extremely good quality water filter for your home, you still end up showering in it even if you change your regular drinking water.

We ought to have discussions about this on this sub.

One article I've just read suggests that an activated carbon filter can remove some phthalates, but not necessarily all. A nano-filtration system would be more expensive but also more effective. Carbon filters, at least, are commonly available for showerheads.

When you think about it, that's going to make its way into the foods you consume as well.

Growing your own food and raising livestock could mitigate this, unless phthalates can make their way into rainwater (which I can't find any information on).

Eating organic food could also help reduce some exposure.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

We ought to have discussions about this on this sub.

I started the ball rolling with this post but I agree I'd like to see more healthy clean living posts.

https://saidit.net/s/debatealtright/comments/7734/reducing_endocrine_disruptors_in_your_life/

[–]Ponderer 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's awesome, thanks for making this.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

A month or so ago, I was attempting to look for chemical formulations for alternative skin and hair products to use as a baseline for a personal project. It led me down a related rabbithole where I ended up encountering a lot of information on the microplastics-- specifically within personal use products. I had planned on making a big post about it, but I didn't really know where I would post it for one, didn't know if it would end up garnering poor engagment (because it would require a lot more effort than my usual ADHD-addled drive-by posts), and we have a lot going on lately with several changes in my home. I stupidly didn't save everything, or have it tabbed off for later, but here's some basic links to peruse through.

NJ state website article with some basic information-- and this shows that it's obvious it's known about as a major problem.

https://www.state.nj.us/humanservices/opmrdd/health/pvc.html

A study done by Brown University over 50 households in California, and the various garbage in/around them. This is very interesting, and has explanations for the graphs:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://brown.edu/Research/Contested_Illnesses_Research_Project/appendix5.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwil9eLU-_nyAhULQjABHR63D1w4FBAWegQIFhAB&usg=AOvVaw38NpDL-tvhiMmx6XlETkr3

Another article that further explains microplastics, impact on the environment, etc.

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fenvs.2021.678574/full

[–]Ponderer 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

Thanks so much for the links. If you ever decide to continue researching this, this sub would be a great place. I know it would get a lot of attention.

[–]NayenezganiNot alt-right 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

DDT has been banned in the USA since the 1970s and is not commonly used in most countries around the world. Nonetheless, the substance has been detected in Antarctican penguins decades later: https://www.vims.edu/research/topics/global_change/ts_archive/ddt_ice.php

There's also some concern that glacial melting in Antarctica could release large amounts of this xenoestrogen into the environment.

[–]Airbus320 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Shubarashi

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Good comment. People don't seem to get the difference between chronic and acute exposure. Chronic exposure creates the bug people we see today. Chronic exposure is part of the planned demolition of western man through hormone manipulation. It is very very difficult to get all these xenoestrogens and poisons out of our food and water but we can reduce our exposure. All dissidents need to experiment with clean eating and living.

https://saidit.net/s/runebooks/comments/824w/matrix_iii_volume_1_the_psychosocial_chemical/

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I responded back to s/ponderer with some links that you can peruse through too. I would say that the general population is likely chronically exposed, given the pervasive nature of these substances.

[–]Airbus320 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Would you recommend drinking filtered rain water or filtered ground water?

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

It would depend on where you live, but you would probably need to keep it in glass containers. If you filter heavily, you might be more successful with getting a chunk of the garbage out.

[–]YJaewedwqewqClerical Fascist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It really comes down to self sufficiency. Filter your water, grow your own food or buy it local. There's not much you can do here, unfortunately.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

A lot of modern medicine works just enough to do something while bringing you a bunch of side effects and addiction to net the pharma companies big bucks.

Thanks for saying this. I wish to God more people understood this about the medical industry. It was subverted and controlled long ago by the petroleum industry which morphed into the pharmaceutical industry. I have some interesting podcasts and videos on this if anyone is interested.