An honest question to the pro-vax people on this sub, why do you trust the state on the vaccine issue?

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[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 15 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 2 fun -  (29 children)

I'd just like to hear their rationalization for getting the vaccine or supporting the vaccine mandate.

I don't do either of these things but I do criticise the anti-vax stuff. The reason why is because none of the arguments make sense, it's all bog standard crazy schizo shit just substituting in 'Covid' and 'vax' around the usual format of the 'NWO genociding everyone apart from 500 million' theory.

If you guys just say you don't want to get it because you don't think it's had sufficient testing (true), you're young and healthy (I hope it's true), you're scared of needles (is prolly true for a lot of people) etc I wouldn't say a thing. I just have an issue against lunatic tier conspiracies about how the elites are trying to genocide everyone who supports them, starting with the jews, for reasons that have absolutely no coherence. Also nobody's theories align and everybody's theories constantly change, so they don't even align with themselves and are constantly proven wrong then they just make up a new theory.

Remember at first it was the bioweapon to wipe out humanity, then all of a sudden it didn't exist and was actually a conspiracy of every single government, along with everyone who works in medicine and hospitals etc in the entire world. Then all of a sudden the vaccine became the bioweapon. Then when the vaccine's death rate wasn't sufficient for that narrative I was told this is just a trial run to make people obedient to take vaccines to prepare people for the real bioweapon that's coming in the future. The other theory is that this is a slow-drip poison that is going to kill people over the long run, convenient unfalsifiable narrative.

Can you guys not see how obviously stupid this all is? Just don't take the vax if you don't want it. Conspiratard shit is gay.

[–]FrenologistSaving the World 1 Cranial Exam at a Time 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (28 children)

Ignore anything you think is schizo and consider the negatives associated with all of this covid hysteria:

1) Never-ending lockdowns (there's zero science to support them and they won't stop once everyone is vaccinated)

2) Mask mandates (they don't work and like lockdowns these mandates probably won't go away)

3) Vaccine passports (while not widespread in the USA they are coming and they'll never go away)

4) Mandatory vaccines (drug companies with track records of knowingly pushing harmful products have immunity)

We're on the slippery slope and we keep sliding further down. Covid will never end so masks, lockdowns and vaccines will never end. The government will never give up it's new-found powers (governments never do). All of this top-down control will be used for carbon credits/taxes. The pass will become your entire life and if you don't go get the next booster when its time then you'll be locked out of living your life--no food, money, job, medical care, etc. Anyone who can't see this coming must be asleep at the wheel. Regardless of the efficacy of the vaccine which, we know is virtually zero and regardless any side-effects, the loss of our freedoms is more than enough reason to refuse the vaxx.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

The issue was too much liberalism in the first place. The issue was our governments weren't willing to act decisively.

Serious people were calling for closed borders immediately in December 2019 when the first reports of it appearing in China came out. I remember seeing China was locking people in their houses, everyone was freaked out and calling for closed borders because obviously this thing is fucking serious.

What did our governments do? Stupid lolbert bullshit you're advocating for. Your liberal thinking is exactly what caused all of this stuff you're crying about to happen. If we had serious governments they would have closed the borders immediately, did a serious lockdown for about a month, and be done with it. Instead we got these gay libertarian, barely even half measures and now we've been suffering for almost 2 whole years.

The issue was too much libertarianism and incompetent authority, not authoritarianism.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

Your liberal thinking is exactly what caused all of this stuff you're crying about to happen

I don't think I've seen /u/frenologist make a liberal comment at all. There's certainly no 'liberal thinking' in the comment you're replying to.

In general your comment doesn't make sense. Are you seriously trying to suggest that the reason we are still dealing with covid shit is because the government wasn't authoritarian enough the first few months? Are you familiar with Hegelian dialectic? Problem reaction solution. This covid thing is another manufactured crisis to break down borders and continue to break the backs of white people as a collective group with resources rights and power. This wasn't a real pandemic at all. Please provide evidence that covid is a real and serious threat that requires fascist level government response.

Also let's assume under certain circumstances a strong unified government is needed. Why do you want this anti white anti male anti christian anti truth government to have those powers (even if it's a legit need)? Do you really think they are just going to use them temporarily to get rid of a corona virus and then give them back?

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Them being flip-floppy fucktards about it in.. ehh.. I think January? Was that when they were decrying everything as racism and telling everyone to go play in the street for Chinese New Year? That opened the doorway for them to be able to use it as an excuse for everything to go to shit in the first place though, because then they had a rampantly running microorganism to use as an excuse while they half-assed everything on purpose.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't think I've seen /u/frenologist make a liberal comment at all. There's certainly no 'liberal thinking' in the comment you're replying to.

His entire comment was libertarian/personal liberty/muh freedumbs rhetoric lol?

Are you seriously trying to suggest that the reason we are still dealing with covid shit is because the government wasn't authoritarian enough the first few months?

Yes. A serious government would have closed the borders initially, which was the most dissident right position I saw back then along with every normie I knew irl was saying they hope the government protects us from this scary new virus by closing the border and shit. They ignored the threat because they wanted to keep the economy open and then the virus came to our countries. If we had a serious government they would have followed the example of the Chinese state which was literally bolting people into their houses and delivering food to their doors. They put the health and security of their people over the prosperity of the economy.

The incompetency and greed of the liberals is what caused covid to spread here. Not a carefully concocted plan that against as I mentioned, would require the collaboration of literally millions of people around the entire planet in various governments, NGOs, medical industry etc. It's possible that they did indeed allow it to spread on purpose in anticipation of making hella vaxbucks, I wouldn't put it past them but it's really just more likely that they are retard liberals who just wanted the Big Line to keep going up and then it was too late once covid was already in Europe and America.

This covid thing is another manufactured crisis to break down borders and continue to break the backs of white people as a collective group with resources rights and power.

Where's the evidence of this? Why can't you just accept that things actually happen in the world and the powerful have power and thus have the ability to use every situation to their advantage? Not everything is some faked global conspiracy psyop that requires the cooperation of literally every state on Earth, this is insanity.

Please provide evidence that covid is a real and serious threat that requires fascist level government response.

I said that's what the response would have been of a serious state with the information they had at the very beginning, IE 1 year and 9 months ago now. I'm not saying that's what they should do now.

Also let's assume under certain circumstances a strong unified government is needed. Why do you want this anti white anti male anti christian anti truth government to have those powers (even if it's a legit need)? Do you really think they are just going to use them temporarily to get rid of a corona virus and then give them back?

They already do have 'those powers*, they have more power than any fascist government ever did. You have no freedom already, there's no more power to give to them. This is just a cope pretending there's something left for them to take that you're holding the last line of defense before the Big TyrannyTM comes. It's just silly conservative/libertarian type thinking that presupposes the existence of a society that you belong to that has some modicum of power against the bad guys who want to take it. No different to the racist libtard 'get off my lawn nationalism' or 'demographics will mean the GOP can never win again!' and other similar things. In reality there's no transaction, there's nothing more for them to take from you because you have no power.

I recognise they do have power, I don't delude myself into thinking I have any say in what they do. I recognise we're under a hostile occupation and it's not anywhere near my ability to affect how they exercise their power, it's completely delusional to believe otherwise.

[–]shilldetector 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Are you seriously trying to suggest that the reason we are still dealing with covid shit is because the government wasn't authoritarian enough the first few months?

That is certainly my view. If not for political correctness, partisan anti Trump hysteria, and globalist economic greed, this pandemic could have possibly been nipped in the bud had borders been closed and a temporary lockdown enforced when the outbreak first occurred. This wasn't done because of an unholy combination of neoliberal and libertarian orthodoxy.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

This wasn't done because of an unholy combination of neoliberal and libertarian orthodoxy.

I just flat out disagree with this take. It wasn't done because the cabal that controls the modern western world manufactured the crisis to achieve other goals. Flu and cold outbreaks with millions of deaths among the old and sick are part of the normal ebb and flow of human life.

I'm pro fascist and want an ethnostate with a very strong government. I would criticize that government too if they overstepped and locked the entire country down and destroyed business over a virus with 99% survival.

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    [–]FrenologistSaving the World 1 Cranial Exam at a Time 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Closing borders would probably have had zero effect because covid was already raging in the USA. I caught it back in Feb 2020 along with pretty much every other person I know. That was a good month before covid-hysteria kicked into high-gear. In fact, it's likely that the USA was well on the way to heard immunity. Locking everything down was just stupid especially for a disease that only kills fat-fucks and people who are basically already on the way out.

    [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

    1) Lockdowns clearly work for Australia and China. They don't work if you're gonna do them half-ass way, which is what most of our governments did.

    2) Anti-mask stuff was stupid since the beginning, and only lolbertiest of lolberts were not ashamed to pull constitution or something and read it to some minimum wage worker.

    3) Vaccine passports, oh well, predictable thing, but it is what it is. I think they're stupid, especially for us who are vaccinated.

    4) Mandatory vaccines are only negative if you start with assumption that vaccine is bad. Many vaccines are mandatory and you can't go to public school without them or whatever.

    I'm willing to criticize government for political plays they're playing with vaccines, the corruption that is happening on national level where whole states buy only Pfizer, health institutions for their incompetence and bafoonery (they flip-flopped on every single fucking issue), but I also think this antivax stuff is stupid and overblown, it's just another finkelthink.

    EDIT: I don't support lockdowns now, they're of no worth as it is, and so many people got screwed by them. Again, government incompetence.

    [–]FrenologistSaving the World 1 Cranial Exam at a Time 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

    1) Lockdowns clearly work for Australia and China.

    The lockdowns in China were nothing but, show for the Western world. The lockdowns in Australia are nothing but, a power-play because there's virtually no covid there.

    2) Anti-mask stuff was stupid since the beginning

    Masking is retarded because the covid molecule is so small it passes right through the mask fabric. There's ZERO science to back up masking other than circle-jerk peer-review which, is the same way we ended up with holocaust history.

    3) Vaccine passports, oh well, predictable thing

    Very good sheep. OBEY. Acquiesce is the enemy.

    4) Mandatory vaccines are only negative if you start with assumption that vaccine is bad

    How about the proven science that covid has a 99.98% survival-rate? Why even bother to vaccinate for it? This is outright stupidity--there's no scientific or health benefit for the general population.

    5) I'm willing to criticize government for political plays

    Are you? the 4 points you presented say otherwise.

    [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

    a power-play because there's virtually no covid there.

    That's how you do lockdowns actually, when you have one or two cases, not when you have thousands.

    Masking is retarded because the covid molecule is so small it passes right through the mask fabric.

    You have to be retarded to think masks don't work lol, water molecules can pass through cloth too, but when someone sprinkles water on your shirt you won't get wet.

    Very good sheep. OBEY. Acquiesce is the enemy.

    Ok schizo. Acquiesce with speed limit regulations is also enemy, I assume.

    How about the proven science that covid has a 99.98% survival-rate?

    This data is fake, it doesn't refer to survival rate at all, this was mathematical model crafted in September 2020, this was just possible scenario. You're indulged into DeSantis' bullshit too much. We see how well Florida is doing rn.

    [–]FrenologistSaving the World 1 Cranial Exam at a Time 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

    That's how you do lockdowns actually, when you have one or two cases, not when you have thousands.

    Then explain Sweden retard.

    You have to be retarded to think masks don't work lol

    Okay retard

    Ok schizo. Acquiesce with speed limit regulations is also enemy, I assume.

    No surprise a fucking retard would use a false analogy.

    This data is fake

    Sure retard

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

    I just re-read my comment and I'm sorry for too much personal insults. I'm still not convinced by any of your arguments, I literally explained why the survival rate isn't 99.98%. It's more like 98.2%.

    I don't disagree with Sweden's approach, it's perfectly valid strategy, but when you compare it to Australia and China it's objectively inferior. Most of our governments are doing the worst possible combo, which is something in between of Sweden and Australia/China.

    [–]Yin 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

    it's objectively inferior.

    Sweden's approach (without respect to any external threats like "vaccines") is objectively superior.

    Being able to enjoy life and gain natural immunity is objectively superior.

    If you claim objectivity, so will I.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

    Objectively refers strictly to data.

    [–]Yin 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

    The point is that data being used for idiotic conclusions isn't logically useful.

    It's useful to nation-wreckers.

    A robot can produce data that shows the benefits of eliminating/enslaving humans and that not doing so would produce inferior results.

    [–]FrenologistSaving the World 1 Cranial Exam at a Time 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    What's wrong with Sweden's approach? It appears to be working because Sweden has close to zero covid which, is likely a lot less than China. Would China even tell the world about covid outbreaks?

    Why is mas-vaccination needed for a disease that, as you say, has a 98.20% survival rate? There are literally hundreds of diseases with significantly higher mortality rates. Why aren't we mass-vaccinating for those? Why the push for mass-vaccination rather than a push to improve the overall health of those who are most-vulnerable to the disease? As I'm sure you know, obese people are much more vulnerable to covid so why not mandate better eating habits for fat-ass slobs when they're the people who are vulnerable? Why should healthy people who have almost no chance of death or even severe reaction go out of their way to help fat-fucks maintain their unhealthy lifestyles?

    I don't agree with the assessment that most governments are doing something, "In between of Sweden and Australia/China." Most countries likely already had heard immunity but, decided to continue with masking, distancing, lockdowns, vaccine mandates and now vaccine passports as nothing but, a pure power-play. I caught covid back in Feb 2020 along with just about every person I know. It spread so fast that it burned itself out--that's why cases peaked and then crashed. Covid didn't have a second peak until mass-vaccination began. Using a leaky vaccine is the cause of variants not the ass-backward, newly-minted science that claims variants are a result of the unvaccinated.

    Israel is one of the most-vaccinated countries in the world but, covid is raging there and even the Israeli PM said, "The most vulnerable population at the moment in a paradoxical manner - are the ones who received two vaccination doses but, not the third dose.". So Israel admits the vaccine isn't working and that protection fades over time. Does this make it a forever shot? Will you take the third, fourth, fifth, etc.?

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      [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      1) Yes, "artificially" limiting contact with other people reduces transmission of virus.

      2) I'm not talking about DR back then, I'm talking about DR now.

      You're fond of the public school system?

      Non sequitur, plus I'm not American, we don't have Holocaust classes here.

      Does the tactic of describing it as "finkelthink" work on anyone?

      Tactic would imply I have an agenda, I'm just a dude on the internet lmfao, and yes, it's a finkelthink, people who think everyone who gets covid will die vs people who think everyone who gets vaccinated will die.

      Top-down orders and agendas are not coming from a place of incompetence.

      Fair point, it's an admixture of incompetence, malice and corruption.

      [–]TheJamesRocket 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      Mandatory vaccines are only negative if you start with assumption that vaccine is bad.

      Thats just plain retarded. You can't punish people for not submitting to medical treatment that may not even be necessary. This blatantly ignores centurys old precedents about bodily autonomy and voluntary consent. Vaccine mandates are extremely unethical; they are a form of medical tyranny.

      [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Look, fair point to an extent, I don't think you should get fired for not getting vaccinated and shit, but that's also just a reaction to many people not getting vaccinated, what would you do if you just have to do something but big chunk of population flat out refuses?

      And again, vaccine mandates exist for many stuff, kindergartens, public schools, etc.

      We are lucky enough covid isn't as deadly as libs claim, because liberal/conservative stupidity would kill us all.