An honest question to the pro-vax people on this sub, why do you trust the state on the vaccine issue?

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[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 15 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

I'd just like to hear their rationalization for getting the vaccine or supporting the vaccine mandate.

I don't do either of these things but I do criticise the anti-vax stuff. The reason why is because none of the arguments make sense, it's all bog standard crazy schizo shit just substituting in 'Covid' and 'vax' around the usual format of the 'NWO genociding everyone apart from 500 million' theory.

If you guys just say you don't want to get it because you don't think it's had sufficient testing (true), you're young and healthy (I hope it's true), you're scared of needles (is prolly true for a lot of people) etc I wouldn't say a thing. I just have an issue against lunatic tier conspiracies about how the elites are trying to genocide everyone who supports them, starting with the jews, for reasons that have absolutely no coherence. Also nobody's theories align and everybody's theories constantly change, so they don't even align with themselves and are constantly proven wrong then they just make up a new theory.

Remember at first it was the bioweapon to wipe out humanity, then all of a sudden it didn't exist and was actually a conspiracy of every single government, along with everyone who works in medicine and hospitals etc in the entire world. Then all of a sudden the vaccine became the bioweapon. Then when the vaccine's death rate wasn't sufficient for that narrative I was told this is just a trial run to make people obedient to take vaccines to prepare people for the real bioweapon that's coming in the future. The other theory is that this is a slow-drip poison that is going to kill people over the long run, convenient unfalsifiable narrative.

Can you guys not see how obviously stupid this all is? Just don't take the vax if you don't want it. Conspiratard shit is gay.

[–]outrageousboote 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

I agree, I think that mixing schizo-crank into racial activism hurts the credibility of racial activism E.G. white nationalists promoting the fake moon landing theory or NWO genocide vaccine theory.

I heard a claim somewhere that everyone who took the vaccine will die in 2 years and this was reposted to Andrew Anglin's Gameruprising forum, this was a bridge to far for even that demographic which is prone to believing any type of crank.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

It's all the people with individualist priors. Those whose first entry into politics was racialism, fascism, ex-leftists etc don't have these libertarian hangovers.

It's all the people who were ex conservatives, conspiracy guys, lolberts etc. Or still are. Even the guys who are quite thoroughly redpilled now still have this like subconsciously stuck inside them and it doesn't take much to make people revert to instincts.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This.

[–]shilldetector 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

You see the same thing with global warming. You have these people who will glob on to the notion that it's all an elaborate hoax simply because they have the partisan kosher sandwich conditioning ingrained into their brain and will therefore oppose the theory no matter what simply because they hate "the left" and think denying it is the proper thing to do on "the right".

At this point there is literally no amount of evidence or logic you can use on the anti vax hysterics, who are almost but not quite as annoying as the covid hysterics. I have no dog in this fight and could care less if people get the vaccine. I mean herd immunity would have been nice so we arent dealing with this virus forever, but at this point that seems like a pipe dream, and probably already was by the time this thing went global and had so many hosts it began evolving.

It's become increasingly obvious that there are a lot of bad actors pushing this among dissidents though. I can't help but notice a lot of the saidit/all front page Jews are heavily pushing this anti vax bullshit. I can only imagine how busy they must be pushing it among thedonald.win crowd.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Who were you on reddit btw?

[–]shilldetector 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I wasnt on dar long, mostly just interacted on normie subs. Mainly just wound up on dar because it was the only place you could discuss unchecked Jewish power with people who weren't shit stirring edgelords, as all intelligent discussion everywhere else had been purged. Dar was likely allowed to continue for monitoring and opposition research purposes. That issue is generally the only thing I have in common with the alt right.

I had a lot if threats and harassment on reddit so for opsec reasons Ill avoid mentioning that name. You’d probably recognize it though.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

That issue is generally the only thing I have in common with the alt right.

What are you about then?

[–]shilldetector 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't want to be a slave to Jews, who I view as deeply culturally unfit for a global leadership role, much less one in which they have absolute power, a situation we are fast approaching and which no group should have. Aside from that I'm generally for the good and advancement of humanity.

As for the subject of race. I understand there were different human population groups that were isolated from each other for tens and possibly hundreds of thousands of years and that evolution didn't magically stop occurring in these populations during that time, and I'll leave it at that. It's not a subject I see as overly important so long as we have a society that is a meritocracy. I do however acknowledge that "whites" are currently the target of a paranoid and hostile Jewish elite who wield enormous power and are institutionalizing hatred and discrimination against them while attempting to basically ethnically cleanse them from their European homelands and the nations they established elsewhere.

I am also for free thought and free speech, both of which seem to be under sustained assault by the aforementioned hostile ethnic elite.

[–]JustLookDontDismiss 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Actually three months to 7 years. Because the spike protein is a cytotoxin it is very dangerous to humans and they know this. and why every other coronavirus vaccine has failed and never been brought to market is because whenever the animals get challenged with what it's supposed to be protecting them from it kills them all In a cytokine storm or antibody dependent enhancement which will cause total organ failure. The things that they put in these things are not good this is why they do not let the public know.

and the viruses still not been isolated and actually proven to exist so what the hell are they really injecting with