Was the car a positive or negative development for society?

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[–]YORAMRWWhite nationalist, eugenicist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Cars allow White people evade crime populations by fleeing to rural areas and suburbs. The car can be a useful buffer against a criminal. Going into the wrong side of town on accident with a car is safer than without one especially if there is a "gathering".

This argument was actually part of the long reply in favor of cars which I was gonna write on this post, but you already beat me to it. It's perhaps one of the most important reasons why any serious white nationalists should support cars and strongly resist any potential future government attempts to ban them (or only allow self-driving cars), aside from maybe the essential role cars play in enabling white nationalists and other dissidents to effectively organize across vast distances outside of corporate and government control. Also very based reply in general!

[–]Noam_Chomsky 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

why any serious white nationalists should support cars and strongly resist any potential future government attempts to ban them (or only allow self-driving cars), aside from maybe the essential role cars play in enabling white nationalists and other dissidents to effectively organize across vast distances outside of corporate and government control.

Are patriotic, ethnic-europeans actually self-identifying as "white nationalists"?

Seems unlikely...

Then again...

Something. Something. FBI surveillance.

IDK.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

...What?

[–]Noam_Chomsky 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

I don't know of anyone who would ever describe themselves as a "serious white nationalist".

Do you?

"Patriot" is the typical description for this.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

Yes I know dozens of people who are white nationalists.

[–]Noam_Chomsky 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

They call themselves "white Nationalists"?

Do you work at the FBI?

[–]Noam_Chomsky 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Do you know any self-described "white globalist's"?

[–]YORAMRWWhite nationalist, eugenicist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Is a white person who wants whites all over the world to gain more political power, at the expense of the political power of Jews and non-whites, a "white globalist" to you? And if so, why would you consider that a bad thing, assuming you're white yourself? Because most of the time I've heard the term "white globalist" being used, it wasn't someone calling himself that, it was being used as a pejorative/accusation, similar to terms like "wignat", "Duginist", "racist liberal", "MarxNat", etc.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Globalism in general is not the proper course of action.

[–]YORAMRWWhite nationalist, eugenicist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I agree, but whites becoming the most powerful group on the planet again (and possibly having colonies) wouldn't be globalism, that would just be imperialism or expansionism (nationalism and ingroup preference taken to its logical conclusion).

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I do not believe that is the logical conclusion.

[–]YORAMRWWhite nationalist, eugenicist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Are patriotic, ethnic-europeans actually self-identifying as "white nationalists"?

Seems unlikely...

Some definitely are (myself included), especially in Northwestern Europe, probably because that's where the attack on white people is the strongest in all of Europe (just like in the US and Anglo colonies), as well as because racialism historically isn't just an exclusively Anglo colonial thing but a Germanic thing in general. But I meant white people with racial ingroup preference in general, regardless of where they live and of what label they give it. Being pro-white and being pro-[your specific European ethnic group] aren't mutually exclusive. In fact, I'd argue you can't be truly ethno-nationalist without having at least some racial ingroup preference if you're white, since your race is an essential component of your ethnic group (which couldn't even have existed without your race existing).

Then again...

Something. Something. FBI surveillance.

IDK.

It isn't just about surveillance. Governments and corporations can easily deny anyone access to public transportation and air travel (see Nick Fuentes being on the no-fly list for example), something that's a lot more difficult for them to pull off with car travel. Regarding surveillance, with public transportation and air travel, governments and corporations automatically track you by mere virtue of you checking in and out. With cars, if you completely shut off your electronic devices, the only way they can track you is if you happen to drive past highway surveillance cameras, unless you have tracking hardware built into your car (which sadly is the case with more and more cars today, as a way to bypass the privacy we used to have in them, so in that regard you're better off driving an older car). With cars, you also have the ability to change your course any time you want, unlike with public transportation and air travel.