Thought experiment: how a dissident could survive being barred from all major corporations

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[–]insanemetal187 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (20 children)

The one that I've been considering is getting a camper. You aren't tied to a single location like you are with land so if the area or state starts going crazy, move. All of your resources are also not really tied to any system. The reason for a camper over an RV is this way if your daily use vehicle needs work you don't have to worry about your house being in the shop for multiple days. Also it's generally much cheaper upfront. I saw I can get one for well under $10k off Craigslist in my area and I dunno of any livable land near me for equally as little, never mind one with a house on it.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

I've been looking for a camper for 2 years and it seems like the moment I started looking the prices went through the roof. The industry is also shady as fuck. Low quality. Cheap parts. Lazy assembly. No longevity to warranties. Chemical off-gassing from many of the building materials. Not to mention seems like everyone who owns an RV bought it on debt and got underwater immediately on their loan. I'm not very impressed with the industry.

[–]insanemetal187 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I'm used to shitty apartments and I mostly just want something that would leak. I also would find it kinda fun to work on it and learn how to maintain a dwelling before taking on an entire house. I will keep an eye out when I start shopping for one. I'm honestly not expecting much for my budget.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Are you looking for a trailer or 5th wheel? Full time living or just camping?

[–]insanemetal187 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Living but I specifically want to be able to use my vehicle without having to tow my "house" everywhere.

Basically I want to be able to live somewhere and move when I feel like it. Even if it's within the same state. I live in what seems to be the worst spot of New England and living 30 mins in any direction seems like it would have better options but can't move a house.

[–]Ponderer[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

Chemical off-gassing from many of the building materials.

This would concern me the most. Maybe it's possible to buy something that's mostly metal or made somewhere with better production quality? Or even to build one?

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

I'd think the best option would be a used one that's already off gassed or maybe even a school bus rig you build yourself. There are some really nice quality durable horse trailers that are built well and keep resale value. Cimarron is one. They make living quarters trailers that last a long time. paging /u/insanemetal187

[–]insanemetal187 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

I've thought about converting a bus literally since high school 20 years ago now. My concerns were, it seems expensive and I want to be able to move freely without always bringing my house with me. I can drive a truck or SUV through some small town and not have issues. Driving a bus will have all the limitations that come with long vehicles which I usually dislike having to figure out. Not the easiest to park or take tight turns with. And again, if anything breaks down needing to be brought to the shop, your house is in the shop.

I want the separation between home and transportation. This doesn't have to be everyone's concern though. I envy the van life guys over my current situation even though I have the separation I desire.

[–]Ponderer[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

It depends on how small you want to go. Heck, maybe we could get creative here.

If you're okay with van living, but you want a living space that's not permanently attached to your vehicle, how about a teardrop trailer?

Very inexpensive. There's plans online so you could probably build one yourself with your own materials. Depending on the size, maybe you could even fit one in the back of a pick-up, which would mean that length or parking would not be an issue. Would that work?

[–]insanemetal187 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

lol I'm not an outdoor type. I want a camper for the kitchen, bathroom, bed space and just need something close to a desk, table and bench would work.

While I'm cheap, I'm looking for something that could work anywhere. I'd like to be able to just move on a moment's notice. I'm impulsive and being locked into being in one spot has me going nuts. I miss my college years of taking a 5 hour road trip for White Castle because we watched the movie. I want to be able to just move when bored, without having to pack and find a new apartment. If I own my own shit and keep my cost of living low I can just pick up a shitty job where ever I go if needed. I think if I cut back on rent I probably have enough bitcoin to last for a few years at current prices. If it runs it might be enough to be fully retired.

[–]Ponderer[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I can relate to that feeling. Good luck my man.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Maybe get a RV/bus and hang a motorcycle and/or mountain e-bike off the back - and get baskets, saddle bags, and/or a bike-trailer.

[–]Ponderer[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

This is a really interesting idea that I'm thinking about too.

Costs of buying land are skyrocketing, but renting is far from ideal - it's a constant drain on your wallet, and the landlord might threaten you with eviction.

Having a camper means you actually own the place that you live, and it's a lot cheaper than the cost of a house. As you said, there's also the possibility of moving it around as needed. If you wanted to you could even buy a plot of land and park the camper on it.

If you don't own your own land though, are there good places to park a camper long-term?

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

If you don't own your own land though, are there good places to park a camper long-term?

I've been looking into this for a couple of years. The problem is that housing prices have been so bad for the last few years that trailer prices are also up and some states are cracking down on boondocking (living in trailers). Every state is also very different on rules around trailers. In my area I can't even live in an RV even if I own the land! I have to put a septic system down. The only other for me is buying a lot at an RV resort and those can be the same price as apartments or more! The only way to do it affordably is if you know someone else with land and you pay them to park on their land and the authorities and neighbors don't really mind. Some people are also building partial structure that are like half house half RV parking. Those can be cheaper than building a new home and still be legal. Most people you see just living in trailers are breaking multiple laws.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

So sad that just living is becoming illegal.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

It's all about cornering people into 30 year mortgages on overpriced homes or rent slavery that traps you into a cycle where you can't afford to save enough money to own property. They can't allow cheap alternatives to gain popularity. Next step is they're going to find ways to make rural living impossible (cutting internet off, making rain water harvesting illegal, etc)

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Harsh truth.

[–]Ponderer[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

This resource may help for parking on public land: https://old.reddit.com/r/vandwellers/wiki/index

I'd definitely recommend this book for buying a tiny plot of land to own: https://b-ok.cc/book/5758985/d610e8

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks. I will look into those.

[–]insanemetal187 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

If you don't own your own land though, are there good places to park a camper long-term?

No idea, hopefully I get to figure this out soon. Another thing I was considering, just buying straight up land with a field wouldn't be terrible expensive. The value in land comes from it's scarcity but the structures on it scale the price up quickly. I've seen plots in New England when I was looking for under $10k and we have notoriously high real estate prices. I'm wondering if a piece an hour outside of like Sioux Falls, SD would be dirt cheap and basically just build a parking lot. Use all the money saved to get internet and electricity connected. Build a trailer park for one in the middle of no where.

[–]Ponderer[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

This resource may help for parking on public land: https://old.reddit.com/r/vandwellers/wiki/index

I'd definitely recommend this for buying a tiny plot of land to own: https://b-ok.cc/book/5758985/d610e8