Australia is planning to have a social credit system

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[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

There doesn't exist such a thing as a non-engineered society. This is childish liberal/anarchist fairytales completely detached from reality.

[–]proc0 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Besides the point. Even if governments are doing it now, they shouldn't be. A social credit system takes it to the next level. One thing is incentivizing people through taxes or laws, and another is a direct, game-like, personal application that rewards people on an personal action level. It would literally be like playing a game, except the consequences are real. Imagine playing Mario but if your score is too low you go to jail.

It's the nightmare scenario, and not even that long ago (about 6-8 years?) there were sci-fi dystopia shows on this, like Black Mirror. Obviously, they won't role out the punishments or "bad features" on version 1.0... but I honestly can't believe we're living through this.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Besides the point. Even if governments are doing it now, they shouldn't be.

The problem is the capitalists are the ones doing it, and they're engineering people to be unhealthy and unhappy intentionally. Plus they use propaganda techniques to brainwash people like you into being as stupid as you are.

[–]proc0 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Sounds like you agree with me? WTF are you talking about? Do you want social engineering or not? If you don't, then why would you support it going to the next level?

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Social engineering always exists and has forever. Yes I want social engineering, I want it set up to make people healthy and have strong communities.

I want to get rid of socially atomised suburbs and replace them with genuine liveable community spaces for example. I want to revolutionise urbanism so cities aren't planned around cars, but they're walkable and cyclable as another example. This is social engineering and it's good, they've been engineered currently intentionally to eliminate community from people's lives to make them unhealthy and unhappy so they consume more.

Social engineering, like everything, isn't something that is a priori bad. Just because the current capitalist dystopia is engineering our society and ourselves into a terrible mould that benefits them and ruins us it doesn't mean that social engineering is bad on principle.

There's no such thing as a society without social engineering, the only way to oppose social engineering is by opposing society, and thus all states/politics existing at all. That idea is a total absurdity.

[–]proc0 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I want it set up to make people healthy and have strong communities.

This is called being authoritarian. How about leave people alone?

I want to get rid of socially atomised suburbs and replace them with genuine liveable community spaces for example

This is not social engineering, that is just regular engineering. In fact, it's called civil engineering, and it's about building structures and city planning. That is not about controlling thoughts and behavior in a direct manipulative way.

There's no such thing as a society without social engineering, the only way to oppose social engineering is by opposing society, and thus all states/politics existing at all.

Are you so used to government controlling you and your life, that you can't imagine a town where people just live their lives without external controls? They do exist. What you're describing is a kind of totalitarian, authoritarian control. A society were a few handful of people are telling the rest how to behave and live their lives.

You are confusing social engineering with simple governance of people. You are confusing social engineering with regular engineering and city planning. Please reconsider. These kinds of confusion opens the door wide open for dystopias and dictators that kill millions of people who won't comply. I hope you are not in favor of killing millions of people who disagree with you.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

This is called being authoritarian. How about leave people alone?

I am an authoritarian, liberalism has brought humanity nothing but misery. I will leave people alone once I've liberated them from their slavery.

This is not social engineering, that is just regular engineering. In fact, it's called civil engineering, and it's about building structures and city planning. That is not about controlling thoughts and behavior in a direct manipulative way.

Your physical environment is obviously intimately tied to your psychology. Obviously a town with a church, only small local businesses, a park and everyone living within walking distance of each other is going to have vastly different social outcomes to a suburb that only has houses and roads. This point is beyond retarded and you should feel extremely embarrassed for thinking this was smart.

I hope you are not in favor of killing millions of people who disagree with you.

Nobody would disagree with me once I was in power because everyone would be happy and grateful that I gave them exactly what you're arguing for but have no idea how to get there. You would realise how ridiculously stupid you were as a lolbert and repent and beg me to forgive you for how lacking in vision you were. I would of course be merciful because I'm a benevolent God.