A list of guides I would like to write to help dissidents with culture-building. What here interests you?

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[–]DragonerneJesus is white 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (10 children)

Just fyi, the guy you're talking to is likely an infiltrator that has been using our sub to learn how to copy our discourse and blend in.

[–]Ponderer[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

How so? Thanks for the heads-up regardless.

This is why private groups (IRCs, Element etc) are better than public forums in some ways; you can control who gets to see and engage with content.

Although if they aren't both active and focused on some goal, private groups will usually spiral into glorified water-coolers or internet drama.

[–]Jacinda 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Greg Johnson wrote a series of articles about how he organized a successful meet-up IRL. They are on Counter Currents somewhere:

There are also explicit white nationalist groups such as The Mannerbund and Mark Collet's UK based Patriotic Alternative.

How to get involved IRL would make a worthwhile subject for a separate post.

[–]Ponderer[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Do you have a link for that meet-up article?

How to get involved IRL would make a worthwhile subject for a separate post.

This is a bit more generic, but I'd be interested in your feedback: https://saidit.net/s/debatealtright/comments/8bwc/guide_to_attending_rallies_protests_and/

[–]Jacinda 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Here's the article I was referring to. I am sure there are more on the site.

Counter Currents:

So you’ve found a local group of people. Now what do you do? To answer that, ask yourself what all of you have in common. First, you share political convictions. Second, you have a desire to socialize with like-minded people. Not everyone is there to engage in activism. Not everyone is there to debate fundamental ideas about political ideology. And if you press the group in these directions, it will dissolve.

Thus, the first lesson for both activists and ideologues is not to try to refashion the group in terms of your interests; instead you should think of the group as a place to find and recruit people who share your particular interests; if you treat it as an opportunity to meet new people, you have a stake in the group’s continued existence.

So how do you keep the group alive and make it flourish? If you are not going to engage in activism or debate about Evola and Norse paganism, what will you do? [Cont...]

Greg has also posted about IRL security and dealing with being doxxed; both things he has had experience with.

Thanks for the article about attending protests IRL. Can't really add anything except to be careful about what sort of event you attend and to remove anything (earrings etc.) that might get damaged in the event of a tussle. Telling people where you are going, having money for a phone call and a number for a lawyer might also be useful. I'll add these comments to your thread.

[–]VraiBleuScots Protestant, Ulster Loyalist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Or, maybe he’s just someone that used to be a liberal & then changed his mind… ?

How many of us could claim to be ‘dissident right’ before, say, 2015, or from birth? I’m betting unless you were lucky enough to have Fascist parents, then probably not many… Stop being so paranoid mate.

[–]Hates__PeachPeach Leftists Hate 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

When he first arrived six months ago he was hostile right off the bat. He only made himself seemingly more tolerable in recent times, following the general path that Soylent, and perhaps Salos, took earlier. Unless this guy genuinely shifted this year, he's still a 'normie'. There are, of course, numerous reasons why outsiders would interact in the long-term with such communities. Masters/Doctorate students whose theses/dissertations are on 'Right-wing radicalism'. 'Antifascist' or 'antiracist' researchers working with groups like the ADL/SPLC. Academics gathering information to publish their work in obscure journals and edited books, to raise their chances of promotion. And, of course, the usual Feds and JIDF straight from places like Tel Aviv and Quantico.

He had clearly internalized Leftism to an extreme degree when he first arrived. Do you think these are the words of someone who isn't a normie?

Racial identity is indeed stupid. Recall the system of slavery condemned human beings to a generation of suffering, only because they were born the wrong skin color. Or we have people arguing in this thread blaming third world people for being naturally inferior. If human beings continue to mix with other groups, like has always been the case throughout history (i.e neanderthals and humans mated and took their genes) then race becomes a useless construct.

Who seriously argues things like the below other than Leftists?

Despite being hell on earth, one thing Brazil did better than other European countries is they didn't push aggressive racism once the slaves were freed.

Huh? Brazil is 'hell on earth' precisely because the 'slaves' and natives are the overwhelming majority of the population. America will also be 'hell on Earth' when people whose race is the same as the natives (Hispanics), 'slaves' (blacks) and all of these other groups are also a clear majority.

When the media prefers to show the worst parts of the third world, it creates a self perpetuating image that they have no hope or that they can't look after themselves.

Yeah, the media is totally racist and White supremacist, man... seriously? Maybe he's exposed to too many of those 'donate to Ngubu' advertisements in which they do something like this in order to persuade idiots to send money. It's a trick. Notice how they also always use sad music in such advertisements?

Fast forward six months. Now he says things like:

If America is to recover, then it needs to be made 80% White again. Anything else, and we just end with a Neo-Brazil.

[–]VraiBleuScots Protestant, Ulster Loyalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

People change their minds

Again, were you always a Nationalist? Was there not a point in time where your opinions shifted? Should I call you a fed/Jew/shill if you weren’t a Nationalist from birth?

The guy used to be a liberal-conservative type, now he’s came round to our way of thinking. As have many of us. You should be encouraging people like him, not trying to gatekeep.

[–]Hates__PeachPeach Leftists Hate 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Again, were you always a Nationalist?

I never went through any other phases. I am, have always been since being 'political', and always will be, 'Far-Right'.

Was there not a point in time where your opinions shifted?

If you mean totally outside of the 'Far-Right', no way.

The guy used to be a liberal-conservative type, now he’s came round to our way of thinking.

I highly doubt that.

[–]VraiBleuScots Protestant, Ulster Loyalist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

So did your parents teach you about politics, or did you stumble across a mein kamp copy when you were like 8?

That’s great that you had that experience but you should understand you’re in the extreme minority. Most folk here have only been nationalists since 2015 at the earliest with Trump, Brexit etc. Most went through some sort of (blank) ——> (far right) pipeline with many steps in between. It didn’t happen overnight.

[–]Node 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Most folk here have only been nationalists since 2015 at the earliest with Trump,

Not since the 70s? Jesus, that's a disappointing revelation.