I think the White Nationalist cause needs to be pragmatic if we want to succeed.

submitted by Salos60000Pragmatic European Nationalism from (self.debatealtright)

Hey there, I am just posting to explain my ideological position to this sub.

Pragmatism is basically the basis of my belief. We need to make every action and word we say or type count. Our people are on basically a time limit, we need to be efficient with every action and we must utilize the most effective strategies that appeal to and attract moderates and conservatives.

We have to use common sense when we are engaging with these groups, put yourself in the shoes of a White moderate beginning to realize what the impact of replacement, however he isn't attracted to fascism or nazism due to education. Personally I oppose both these ideologies, but I'm saying this from the perspective of optics that both of them are not and never will be appealing. The JQ also while it is pretty apparent that that race has been arguably the primary group facilitating our replacement, we should mainly hold off on it at first because from education, most Whites see them as flawless,saintly victims of oppression, the JQ must be conveyed at a later stage and in a way not connected to the above ideologies.

I also think we should put in work to prevent you-know-what incidents from occurring mainly by precisely showing why they don't work work and just gives our enemies ammunition, we should also work to reach out to those who appear doomerish and get them on the right path aswell as calling out edgelord, likely fed posting content.

For religion, I am personally a deist,secular christian. I think we should be moderate on religion mainly because of the lack of appeal among the younger generation. The reasons for this are the conduct of the catholic church(sex abuse and coverups) and the lack of discipline stemming from individualism. I see this as unfortunate and I would like religion and the unity and culture it provides to be re-ingrained a bit into our societies, however like I mentioned at the start, we need to make every action count and as such we can't afford to allow religious proselytization bog us down.

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[–]DragonerneJesus is white 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (23 children)

I personally think the opposite is true. We should be way more militant and intolerant.

But ultimately we need to take all approaches and see what sticks. Whichever method is efficient will survive, spread and mutate.

[–]Oingo 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yup. There are many paths to survival.

[–]Salos60000Pragmatic European Nationalism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (21 children)

The problem I see is that like I mentioned we're on a time limit with the climate crisis reaching its peak being the crescendo. We need to have a solid grip of power by then.

[–]YORAMRWWhite nationalist, eugenicist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

We're currently enslaved by psychopathic Jewish elites and our race is basically dying out, so sea levels rising a couple of centimeters and the weather becoming a bit warmer isn't really high on my list of concerns right now. After we've liberated ourselves (hopefully as soon as possible), we can just protect our coastlines from rising sea levels with huge dikes (like the Northern European Enclosure Dam), fully transition to nuclear energy, and cool down the earth by greening the deserts with water from desalination plants anyways.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I will take this opportunity to remind everyone of this: https://imgur.com/l10fOXW

When we win, do not forget that these people want us dead, etc.

There is no pragmatism to be had nor any mercy to be shown.

[–]AcceleratedWallops 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (18 children)

In what way do white people not have a solid grip of power?

Y'all fucking nuts

[–]YORAMRWWhite nationalist, eugenicist 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

If us white people truly still have a solid grip of power nowadays, then why are our countries flooded with millions of non-white immigrants by the system without our consent, why do we get attacked by the system (getting fired from our jobs, getting our bank accounts frozen, being put on no-fly lists, getting investigated by intelligence agencies, getting fined or imprisoned for "hate speech", etc.) whenever we protest this forced demographic replacement or dare to call out Jewish overrepresentation in positions of power, while simultaneously being praised by the system for talking about "white privilege", "systemic racism", "anti-Semitism" and for wanting white people to go extinct?

White people are generally still alowed to live a relatively normal life as long as they don't question the system's attack on their race or the Jewish role in it and express hatred of their own race, but as soon as a white individual goes against this he risks losing his livelihood and any power he used to have. That doesn't sound like white people having a solid grip of power.

[–]AcceleratedWallops 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

So you're saying if white people truly had power, you'd be able to get away with being a shitty person?

...are you fucking kidding me?

Lol, "my actions have consequences therefore white people don't have power" is the most ass-backwards third-grader logic I've ever heard.

[–]YORAMRWWhite nationalist, eugenicist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

There's no reasonable way in which protesting against the genocide of your own race or simply pointing out the overrepresentation of certain groups in positions of power (in this case Jews) makes someone a shitty person, unless you're anti-white or a Jewish supremacist (which you're clearly both). You literally want to exterminate white people, so you aren't really in the position to talk shit about your enemies being shitty people regardless.

Besides, if us whites were truly in power, why the hell wouldn't we use our power to our full extent to fully suppress anti-whites and their activities. If the system actually was white supremacist, as you and your ilk love to pretend it is in order to justify violence against random white people, subhuman psychopathic anti-white scum like you would literally be lifetime slaves, which you fully deserve since you're genocidal terrorists. ;)

PS: Just a reminder that your nigger saint, Fentanyl Floyd, is still burning in hell for robbing a pregnant woman at gunpoint, among other things. <3

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Excellent comment.

[–]AcceleratedWallops 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Wow your bar is low

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And your skin color is not white. We both have things to deal with, so no need to make it personal. Better keep it high on the pyramid.

[–]AcceleratedWallops 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Ah, so you are literally retarded.

I was going to try to slowly guide you into realizing that white supremacy is actually just a strong sense of entitlement coupled with fear, but you've been drinking the stuff under the sink.

Ciao.

[–]YORAMRWWhite nationalist, eugenicist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You only call me retarded because I refuse to kiss your ass, if I had become an anti-white leftist (like you) and would've argued in your defense you probably would've praised me. If anyone is retarded, it's white people who hate their own race. They're genetically messed up to the point where they're literally so mentally ill that they not only lack any group survival instinct, but even actively fight against it. But judging by your post history, you're non-white, so I guess from your perspective it makes sense to try and undermine white group interests.

"White supremacy" in the sense you anti-white vermin use it is just an anti-white slur used against any whites who don't cuck to other races and who want their own kind to continue to exist and prosper, to justify violence and persecution against them, because you hate whites and want them to go extinct. If your warped definition of "white supremacy" was correct, then white supremacy wouldn't even have been a thing until a 100 years (or less) ago since whites didn't have to fear anything as they still were in power back then, which just goes to show the utter ridiculousness of defining white supremacy as "a sense of entitlement + fear".

But even if we went by your definition of "white supremacy": Us whites are absolutely entitled to be supreme in our own countries, and fear is absolutely normal and rational, given how quickly and effectively rich and powerful Jews have been able to remove us whites from power in our own countries, and given the huge amounts of crime and violence from non-white scum which us whites have to deal with in our own countries, in the same sense that fear for a highly intelligent extraterrestrial species invading and conquering the earth (and thus removing us humans from our position of power on our own planet, if not outright enslaving or exterminating us) or fear for a pack of silverback gorillas that escaped from the zoo would be normal and rational.

[–]AidsVictim69 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

A lot of the elite being white does not mean that whites as a group have significant political power or that those white elites are acting in the interests of the average white - in fact just the opposite is true.

[–]AcceleratedWallops 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

So whites having power but using it in a way you disagree with means whites don't have power? Do you realize how stupid that sounds?

[–]AidsVictim69 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Elite (those of the capital or highly credentialed bourgeoise classes) whites have power, just like elite blacks or Jews do. This means nothing for the average white in terms of having power within society, elite whites are mostly anti white (for whites outside their class), no power is transferred to some white group socio-political body.

[–]AcceleratedWallops 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Why do you focus on whites? This is true of all elites and all average people, of all races. If your issue is class warfare you don't need to factor race into it at all.

[–]AidsVictim69 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Race cannot be separated from the material and social conditions of society. It's simultaneously true that the average white is affected by both their class and race, the latter being part of their "material conditions" (literally their genetics) as much as class is. The idea that everything must be viewed either through a purely class lens or otherwise be a false consciousness propagated by the elite is a false dichotomy used by leftists as anti racial and ultimately contradictory anti materialist view.

I focus on whites because I am white, desire to live in a white society, and have multiple actors within society working against my individual and group interests as a white. Saying "race" doesn't matter no more affects the material reality of ones genetics than saying class doesn't matter affects the reality of ones material conditions.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

There's many ways of disproving the idea that whites rule for themselves and their own -- which is the part that matters not whether there are merely white individuals who happen to occupy positions of power.

I like to put it like this though: the idea of white power in this society is self-defeating because of the very fact you can criticise white power. You can deconstruct white power, mock it, belittle it and start entire institutions which the state and private individuals will fund which are dedicated SOLELY to supplanting alleged white hegemony. That's not how power works, is it? In a country where whites ruled as whites and for other whites none of that would be possible because whites would use their power to suppress marginalise and ultimately destroy the forces attempting to deligitimize them.

As a simple comparison consider how Jews react to people making the exact same claims about them that are brought up in your standard spiel about 'white privilege'. Jews mobilise and use their influence and institutions to destroy, silence, censor and generally make life difficult for those people. That's called ACTUAL POWER.

Whites don't do that because they have no actual power as whites. Like I said the idea of white power is self-defeating simply because you can actually talk about it and still keep your job -- in fact if you talk about it enough you'll get tenure at a good uni.

[–]peaceful✞ 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Whites don't do that because they have no actual power as whites.

Whites do have power they just don't want to use it to take their own side because they believe in colorblind anti-racism. Most of the government, police force, and people on television have always been white

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They don't have power in the first place to use and if they wanted to or tried the system would actively try to destroy them. The closest comparison is saying 'Well Whites have all the power they're working at this McDonalds they just don't want to use it.' Which is obviously a ridiculous idea. The person who owns the McDonalds has the power not their minions.

[–]YORAMRWWhite nationalist, eugenicist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

>literally regurgitating Jewish shitlib talking points

[–]AcceleratedWallops 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

White power isn't power because it's not absolute power? C'mon man, try harder.

[–]Oingo 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (4 children)

I think many people are overthinking it. Remember, there are more white people now than there have ever been in the past.

When we build communities, protect our traditions and values, build a strong ethnic identity, and have our own economy, we’ve already won.

Look at the Amish. They’re living their lives free from most forms of degeneracy.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The Amish have no power, at any moment the jews could just Waco their communities. That's not desirable.

[–]Oingo 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It’s definitely a start though. I’d rather have smaller condensed communities than larger MAGA types, as you can more easily prevent subversion.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

at any moment the jews could just Waco their communities

The only reason Waco worked is that is was one community, totally unknown to people outside of that region of Texas, and the media primed the public. The Amish are much larger and the media would not easily succeed at talking the public into genociding so many.

[–]peaceful✞ 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You can't just convince whites to have strong ethnic identities, especially without a presence in the media, that's the whole problem.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

I have the same response to all the unbidden advice givers and do-nothing know-it-alls who pop up here and it's that if you've figured our the secret then go forth and PUT YOUR OWN ADVICE INTO PRACTICE. Why are you wasting time tellting people who are already WN's this. You've figured out the magic formula so just do it! Best of luck to you.

[–]Salos60000Pragmatic European Nationalism[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Individual action is largely unfeasible, we need a collective push and action, a chain is only as strong as it's weakest link. Our enemies work this way too.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

I didn't say anything about you doing it indidividually you insufferable freak. Join a group, start a group or whatever the fuck you like. Just stop bothering everyone else with your shirty advice for the 1000th time and DO SOMETHING WITH IT.

Also why on earth would SNS ask you to post this again? He's not an idiot.

[–]Salos60000Pragmatic European Nationalism[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

He said that I would be allowed to post here again if I made a post detailing my political views,stances and religion.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

You were also ask to explain your history on the sub.

[–]Salos60000Pragmatic European Nationalism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

My history is just I made some mistakes on my first account, tried to reintegrate on other accounts starting with my name and a digit, never anything else and those got banned. I apologies for any infractions I have done on this sub and want to get back to debating here.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What mistakes did you make?

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

and those got banned.

They got banned because you were engaging in ban evasion.

I apologies for any infractions I have done on this sub and want to get back to debating here.

We'll see. You can post and comment for now but you will be on a short leash. I will not override other mods. If they dislike your discourse or even tone you will be gone again.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Joined that group yet? Why are you still talking to me? Go forth and make your wisdom reality or find people who agree with you. Stop talking to me and JUST DO IT.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

He's telling you to join or start an org you like the approach of, not 'individual action'.

[–]Salos60000Pragmatic European Nationalism[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I made this post on request of SNS.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

How many times have white people liberated themselves from this system? Twice. We have two blueprints to follow, the Italian Revolution of 1922 and the German Revolution of 1933. Every other attempted model has failed and you are proposing absolutely nothing new so there's no reason to believe this proposal will not fail also.

The best we can do is study the two revolutions that did succeed and attempt to apply as much of it as possible to us.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Look at the user name. It's our old friend salos dishing out the same bankrupt advice he must have posted 100 times already on reddit and here. No one asked and no one cares but he's baaackkkk.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

It's cuz we banned Republican58, mysteriously as soon as we did that 'ChristianPhalangist' reappeared (some fake account from reddit that used to post about how we should hate poor white people) and that account got banned and then Salos mysteriously comes back. Totally not the same weirdo larping as multiple characters lmao.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

As someone said the other day we really do attract a special kind if weirdo when it comes to trolls.

[–]Salos60000Pragmatic European Nationalism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

No I spoke to SNS, I'm neither of those users.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's a little sus.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Why limit yourself to those revolutions that share race and ideology? Strategy is agnostic to both. The Taliban and the Maoists used the same exact strategy of insurgency and guerilla warfare to come to power, despite being on opposite ends ideologically.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Those are the only 2 revolutions that have occurred that followed the only path that is available to us. Not artificially limiting anything, this is just the only model for revolution that is possible in Europe, and America, at least for the foreseeable future although America is showing a lot of signs of collapse so the opportunity could open up in coming years. We still shouldn't primarily plan for that though, we should just be working only with what we've got and if in the future a military arm of an organisation is suitable then it could be pursued. If you take a look at the situation in Europe and America where are the military elites that are favourable to nationalists? Where are the billionaires that would fund and organise a military insurgency? If theoretically an insurgency was possible it would have no elite support and thus would require EVEN MORE grassroots organisation than the standard mass movement so what would be the point? Hitler figured out violent revolution was impossible after the Beer Hall Putsch and this was a century ago, this method of revolution was only possible in backwards places not a highly technological and highly organised modern state.

Every place you're talking about was either fighting an external enemy and had more or less total popular support (IRA, Hezbollah, Taliban etc) or was fighting guerilla style against backwards, pre-modern states (China, Cuba etc). In the case of certain communist revolutions they had international support and funding, something we also don't have. Starting to attack military and economic targets in the US or Europe would NOT garner popular support, in fact you would face resistance especially because you'd be blasted in media 24/7 and Boomerwaffen and Antifa would quickly be mobilised to try to extinguish you.

Anything except the typical fascist model simply cannot work. 'Nazi Maoism' was tried in Italy post-war and it led nowhere because this shit doesn't work in a modern society. You can research tactics and strategy from every kind of revolution all you want, when you analyse our situation you'll come to the same conclusion I did, there is one blueprint and it's the one the Legionaries, NSDAP, PNF, and Falange followed: We have to create a new institution, an institution of the entire population.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I think I agree for Europe completely. And you're right that an insurgency would have zero way of getting anywhere without mass popular support, safe haven, and foreign allies, which you don't have at all. On the other hand creating mass disasters in the US would be a massive boon for forces in Europe to escape the American yoke, so maybe those efforts aren't fruitless. The pipeline hack recently was an interesting demonstration of that.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yeah, maybe cyber attack stuff could be useful but I don't know any groups of our guys with those skills or any hacking groups or anything that care about our stuff. They're usually just into serving themselves or weird lolbert stuff.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I meant more infrastructure attacks than just cyber. If you take down just 9 transformer stations most of the US would have an 18 month blackout, some journos were squealing about that a year ago or so. Strategically placed IEDs can choke off certain cities for weeks easily. Wouldn't really lead to political takeover by anyone in America other than the military, but it would make the tentacles of the American empire withdraw for a long time probably.

Not that I'm advocating for such acts of course, but the vulnerability of the US to these attacks and the sheer dependency of globohomo on American institutions makes it an interesting approach.

[–]ayotollahsinIran 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Idk if a radical political party, opposed by the majority of the population, being backed and appointed into power by the establishment, is a revolution.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

This is about as attached to reality as the idea that you're the famous actress you were pretending to be you mentally ill freak.

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    [–]MarkimusNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    There's nothing to refute, you literally just made up some random shit and didn't even attempt to substantiate it.

    [–]ayotollahsinIran 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Ok I'll refute.

    Natsocs and fascists were both obviously radical, even for their time.

    Yes both were opposed by the majority of the populace.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1921_Italian_general_election

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_1932_German_federal_election

    Nazi's only came to power solely due to the great depression and the fear the German establishment had to rising communism. Many leading german industrialists and businessmen backed the Nazi's and pressured the right wing DNVP to enter into coalition.

    https://www.historyextra.com/period/second-world-war/hitler-millionaire-backers-how-german-elite-facilitated-rise-nazis-third-reich/

    https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/how-big-business-bailed-out-nazis

    Mussolini only came to power because the King caved after the ruling PM resigned in protest.

    You calling these "revolutions" is pure romanticism.

    [–]peaceful✞ 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Those fascist revolutions didn't have massive diversity, a prevailing anti-racist mainstream culture, and a 24 hour anti-white television to contend with, so they may not be accurate comparisons to the present-day. They might not have succeeded under these conditions.

    [–]MarkimusNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Yes our conditions are worse but it's still the only viable method, if anything is possible it's only this short of just fantasising about some kind of black swan event that may or may not ever happen.

    [–]thefirststoneThat's my purse! I don't know you! 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I think we should be moderate on religion mainly because of the lack of appeal among the younger generation.

    I don't take my lead from zoomers, jews, and troons. Thanks, but no thanks.