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    [–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Whites need to fight hard on both fronts if we are going to survive.

    If Jared Taylor 'wins' and all we do is secure our biological reality then we open ourselves up for long term attacks on our native religions, culture, spaces, gender roles. These toxic ideas pushed by 'whites' among us over enough time could destroy the race (and there's a lot of evidence it has already done just that). Jews can still operate among us if we are only thinking along racial lines. In fact Jews specialize in breeding sleeper agents that racially blend in among nations and subvert them. If you reject EMJ's ideas consider this: as we've seen in countless white civil wars looking and acting alike is no guarantee against conflict.

    If EMJ wins and all we do is fight the Jew exclusively we are only defending ourselves from the ideas not the non white invaders themselves. An open border, pro race mixing and pro degeneracy ideology could grow within whites without Jews present. A pro race mixing philosophy can easily grow if you only consider race as a 'theory of the mind'. Our race would certainly degenerate and falter under such a flawed foundational idea.

    All that being said Taylor won this debate. Jones did not directly address enough of Taylor's arguments.

    My personal thoughts on this: if I had a choice to permanently separate from Jews or Permanently separate from blacks I'd pick separation from Jews. I think that if Jews were out of the picture we could easily manage blacks and other none whites and secure our existence for both our culture and our posterity.

    [–]MosheCircumshteynRabbi Moshe Schlomo Circumshteyn of Tel Avi 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I saw some of the more pertinent excerpts of this on another stream.

    On J's:

    Taylor: Not all J's are bad. Some of them are White. Posits the existence of hypothetical good J's but names none. The J's are proponents of race denialism. I don't think he connects them to the recent rise of CRT.

    EMJ: All J's are bad. Names some of the worst J's, e.g. Ignatiev and Spectre. J's are trying to undermine Christianity rather than Whites. The J's have been proponents of race denialism but they are now proponents of CRT (while still effectively biological race denialism, it clearly accords a higher place to race than colourblindness) to divide people (same thing that colourblindness advocates like Rufo claim, which is also the Marxist stance).

    On race:

    Taylor: Race exists. It is a meaningful identity.

    EMJ: Race perhaps exists but is not a meaningful identity regardless. The promotion of race as a meaningful identity is done by 'oligarchs' (his words) to divide people.

    On White success and dominance of the world:

    Taylor: White success is something innate to Whites. They would still have ingenuity, etc. regardless of their creed.

    EMJ: White success is the result of Christianity. The success of non-Christian Ancient Greece and pre-Christian Ancient Rome was God's 'preparation' (his word) for Christian Europe. Almost certainly believes if Africa becomes Christian enough then it will inherit the same success that Europe once had, and that the failure of Africa is because they have not sufficiently realized Christianity (he claims the African Church has endemic corruption, for example).

    I think Taylor had the more sensible take on race and White success, whereas EMJ tries to reduce White success to Christianity, an argument which leads to all sorts of unintended consequences that easily derail it. For example, there is no positive correlation between success and Christianity in Africa or elsewhere outside of the West, despite the reasonable albeit strongly criticized and problematic efforts of past thinkers like Max Weber to posit that Christianity or parts of it (Protestantism for Weber) have a causal role to play in wealth creation and other forms of success. EMJ has the slightly more agreeable take on the J's (the problem probably exists on a biological-psychological level innate to most or all J's and isn't so much a deliberate plot by conspiratorial, powerful J's in a back room somewhere—indeed, I suspect they cannot help but be subversive), although they're probably intent on undermining anything that is external to their group, which would include both Christianity and Europe. EMJ simply ignores their subversive effect on anything non-Christian.

    Given that the leading figures associated with CRT are DiAngelo and Ignatiev (plus Kendi, the useful black goy), it certainly seems that CRT is the next step for the J's more generally. I suspect the purpose of CRT's promotion is that racial equality has already long been reached through colourblindness, but colourblindness cannot provide arguments for why overt White inferiority/subjugation must be realized. So they need a new ideological framework to replace the dominant colourblind framework, so that Whites will outright accept explicit inferiority/subjugation rather than start complaining once they realize that equality between White/non-white within White societies is not the desired end, but in fact merely a stepping stone towards erasing them.

    [–]FoxySDTWhite Nationalist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    That was quite of a shitshow. Didn't know EMJ is so spergy and immature. Best part for me was when he said that jews weaponize race by pretending it doesn't exist.

    What???

    [–]Girondin 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    EMJ is a geocentrist activist and has hosted geocentric meet-ups. Dude is a sperg.

    [–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Geocentrists still exist?

    [–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

    It's disgusting how subversive these online Christians are. It's the same with Jay Dyer. Worshiping the Jewish carpenter is so much more important than preserving the civilization of Napoleon and Newton.

    Well, Ethiopia has been Christian for longer than Germany and it's the same savage and animalistic country as it's always been.

    [–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    I think EMJ genuinely thinks a massive back to Catholicism movement could save whites. His main argument is that it's easier for the press and federal government to attack white nationalism than right wing Catholicism. For EMJ whites in America and Canada are especially vunerable because they no longer have European ethnic enclaves with implicitly pro white traditions. Europe despite all the subversion has had a lot more success creating identitarian movements. EMJ would likely chalk that up to shared language, clear ethnic boundaries and christian influenced customs. The US had both christian and pro white customs but lost them as immigrants and liberal ideologies have proliferated through Jew malice.

    I found it interesting that EMJ had read Taylor but Taylor had not read EMJ. That's almost always the case in these interviews. Few in the alt right that criticism EMJ have read his work.

    [–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    Few in the alt right that criticism EMJ have read his work.

    Reading his work is a waste of time. You should not read his work for the same reason you shouldn't read queer feminist theory books. They're based on a nonsensical premise of tabula rasa.

    [–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Reading his work is a waste of time.

    He's more of a historian then a political commentator (despite the way he presents himself in some debates).

    Which of his books have you read and can you give examples of how he uses subversive writing comparable to queer feminist theory books?

    It just sounds like you're anti catholic and don't want to admit a Catholic could produce any intellectual work of value. It's important to understand that EMJ is nearly in schism with the current catholic church (which is a good thing). He won't tell you that of course but it's true.

    [–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I didn't say its subversive like queer feminist theory. I said its faulty like feminism because it presupposes tabula rasa, that biology isn't a thing. Unless you factor in racial differences and technological aspects, you can never really have a proper historical or political analysis.

    [–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I think EMJ genuinely thinks a massive back to Catholicism movement could save whites.

    Then why are all the adherents hispanic lol. It's not even white adjacent ones a lot of them are very dark mestizos.

    ¡Viva, Cristo Rey!

    [–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Exactly.

    [–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Subversive would be EMJ promoting himself as white nationalist but really trying to destroy white nationalism. He's done neither.

    [–]Dashing-Dove 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    The absurdity of EMJ is that he fully acknowledges racial advantages like sprinting or long distance running ability, as well as variable medical outcomes based on ethnicity, yet when pressed over his disregard for behavioral and IQ variance among populations, his fallback excuse is that the mind and brain are separate, as if that explains anything. He concedes the truth that ethnicity and biology are related, then retreats into a corner of nonsensical mind-body dualism. This leads to a horribly blatant blind spot that Taylor and the host immediately picked up on, agreeing to drop the subject - because at that point there was no point to further discussion. The cantankerous old buffoon led them to a metaphysical dead end.

    On the other hand, Taylor dances around the subject of Jewish influence like Mossad is going to snipe his head off if he mutters the wrong phrase. I don't know if he holds back for strategic reasons, or genuinely believes that they can be brought into a white coalition as allies.

    [–]Nombre27 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I don't know if he holds back for strategic reasons, or genuinely believes that they can be brought into a white coalition as allies.

    I think it's the former. There's no way he isn't aware of Jewish power, cancel culture, etc. I don't fault him for this as I'd rather him have as large an audience as possible. It's not hard to find that information elsewhere and the work that Jared/AmRen has done has likely sufficiently prepared someone for accepting some more redpills as they're entirely congruent with one another and truthful.

    [–]outrageousboote 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    It's kosher to talk about and even celebrate racial differences if they seem to benefit nonwhites (the level of beneficial racial differences that nonwhites actually have is another can of worms). If racial differences seem to benefit whites they are not real and your a racist for even considering them, especially if racial differences indicate that a nonwhite group is intellectually inferior.

    This is what I don't get about HBDers like Sailer waxing enthusiastic over things like black sprinting performance, you are not edgy for doing it, its a perfectly kosher and acceptable position to say that blacks run faster and it's celebrated in culture and humor. For example the idea of black physical supremacy is promoted nonstop and cucky neocons will appeal to it so they can praise nonwhites.

    https://newswithviews.com/this-racism-and-woke-thing-is-getting-way-out-of-hand-2/

    "Should we install ‘affirmative action white quotas’ in the NFL and NBA to give lesser White athletes equal numbers on the field? Let’s face it, the NBA is virtually 98 percent Black and a smidgen of White boys who cannot jump. Blacks dominate the NFL by 9 to 1 over lowly unathletic White players."

    But the second you suggest racial differences in cognitive performance, you will be ostracized and the neocons will cry indignantly, this brain-body dichotomy doesn't seem to be restricted to EMJ either.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VbuT76zSTA

    [–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

    Debate is over now. Greg, Frodi and Jim Goad now doing post debate analysis.

    [–]DragonerneJesus is white 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    One of the guys sounds just like Spencer

    [–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    That's Greg Johnson which is funny because they despise each other.

    [–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    So is this further proof that Richard Spencer is gay as if the burger comment wasn't enough

    [–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I think he's just an effete fop to be honest.

    [–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Where? Link?

    [–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    The one I'm referencing was on the same link after the debate. Greg is doing another post debate analysis today.

    https://counter-currents.com/2021/08/the-2021-fundraiser-two-weekend-livestreams/

    [–]Fitter_HappierWhite Nationalist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    EMJ on Unz.com

    I have to say, taken together, they make a good case for probably most of our opinions, that Jews are the primary enemies of Whites.

    [–]Nombre27 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)