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[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Every single comment is pro uncle or counter-semitic. Small comfort but it's still nice to see.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The word is getting out. It's only a matter of time now.

[–]Nombre27 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Imagine if those are just bots to give a false impression of more widespread support than there actually is, the idea being that people receive confirmation of support and thus lay off the gas.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They're not, the only people that search these clips up are /ourguys/, they're only remarkable to people who oppose them.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (22 children)

I've spoken with Leftists and they're hellbent on this idea that "Hispanics" are going to be counted as Whites, just like how Italians and Irish are.

But that makes little sense because the latter two groups were from continental europe and they've completely assimilated to White identity.

Hispanics not only look physically different thanks to race mixing, and it also shows in how their own societies always end up in disaster.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Can you imagine if jews could fill up the white quotas with hispanics and jews? They would love that.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They already do it when it comes to reporting crime.

https://i.imgur.com/76LS2IV.jpg

Or how about when the media tried to pass George Zimmerman as White?

[–]Richard_Parker 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

One problem is the term Hiispanic itself is a chimera. There really is no such thing.. There are Castilleans (white), and the mestizos. Some interbred in between are mostly white but still mixed.

[–]outrageousboote 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Not only are the Irish and Italians European groups, them being considered nonwhite wasn't actually the case, it's a leftist talking point to divide whites and destroy the credibility of the white racial grouping, they were considered white by the vast majority of the population and law. Even if they were perhaps considered inferior on basis of ethnicity, they weren't on basis of race.

https://italianthro.blogspot.com/2015/02/white-on-arrival.html

[–]Fonched 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Man, that is the Godwin's law of discussion on race, whiteness and demographics. I heard that quite a lot, although I don't know how this is supposed to sway their arguments on what is considered White. There is the exclusion act that restricted these southern/Eastern European immigrants, and the question of citizenship to these people until the 1940s though. I've seen them also use this talking point to point how we also believed in a white genocide 100+ years ago, with these Irish/Italian immigrants being the replacements rather than Hispanics/MENA who they see collapsing into whiteness apparently. This is, in the meantime, a great guide as to what falls under what exactly. https://thuletide.wordpress.com/2020/08/08/what-is-white-a-guide-for-complete-novices/

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

Not much "race mixing" when 90% of the Aztecs and their neighbours died of smallpox shortly after Cortés arrived. There is almost as much Native American in some of the descendants of North American settlers. Defining what's NOT "white" will become more difficult over time, if we consider DNA.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

There is almost as much Native American in some of the descendants of North American settlers.

That's not possible. The North American Protestants clearly had race laws that made mixing with non-Europeans illegal.

In the Spanish & Portuguese ruled parts of America, the Conquistadors basically eliminated the rival men and were allowed to sleep with all their women. In Brazil for example, it was even state policy to breed out almost all the African or Indian slaves.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blanqueamiento

Defining what's NOT "white" will become more difficult over time,

Nope, it's pretty easy. Besides physical appearances, White people have a certain IQ level.

Hispanics always do worse in school compared to real Europeans. So it's a bad idea to start counting them as "White" when they're genetically dumber.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c6/1995-SAT-vs-Income-Education.png

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

North American Protestants clearly had race laws

Anti-miscegenation laws were proposed rather late in the South. Enforcing anti-miscegenation laws in most of North America was nearly impossible, and they were rarely, if ever, directed at Native Americans, many of whom also did not advertise that they were Native American. (I am descended from one of them.) More info:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-miscegenation_laws_in_the_United_States

Regarding "whiteness", I mentioned DNA, which you cut from the quotation.

Moreover, white people DEFINITELY DON'T have a certain IQ level.

Consider the link you provided: it addresses income levels.

You are conflating IQ results per race with with IQ results per class.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Anti-miscegenation laws were proposed rather late in the South.

They were also the last to end them.

Enforcing anti-miscegenation laws in most of North America was nearly impossible

Based on what? Forced segregation had also existed at the same time, and that was almost exclusively upheld until the Civil Rights Act passed.

Regarding "whiteness", I mentioned DNA, which you cut from the quotation.

You're in luck. I managed to find my Latin American admixtured chart from a few days ago and the vast majority of these people who live in these countries are only 50% European at best, with the other half being Native Indian and Sub-Saharan African blood.

https://i.imgur.com/DSpgeSx.png

Sorry, but they're not White and never will be.

Moreover, white people DEFINITELY DON'T have a certain IQ level.

Whites have an average IQ of 100. East Asians are 5 points higher, and Blacks are 1 standard deviation (15 points) lower.

https://www1.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/30years/Rushton-Jensen30years.pdf

Consider the link you provided: it addresses income levels.

The poorest Whites are still smarter than the richest Mexican on average. It's genetic.

You are conflating IQ results per race with with IQ results per class.

You wont find many Hispanics or Blacks at all in the smartest professions. That's the point of racial differences.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Thanks for the info, though here's part of the problem:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence

1) Intelligence tests measure different kinds of intelligence, which are difficult to assess for broad international groups

2) The concept of 'race' "a sociopolitical phenomenon rather than a biological one", dating back to the 16th century and the start of European expansion

3) A few points on an intelligence scale and/or in racial differences are not significant when one considers the value of that information in a person's actions, how we judge the actions of others, and what we want in society

4) I appreciate that you've likely heard all of this and still won't agree with any of it. My view is that attempts to divide people on the basis of race and intelligence is historically problematic for society. This is one of the reasons I often agree with criticisms of conservative Jews (though I often agree with liberal Jews), because conservative Jews make similar arguments about the reasons for not mixing with non-Jews (as do conservatives of other ethnic and national groups, with whom I also disagree, because the historical lesson is that ethnocentrism always causes additional problems, in all attempts dating back 10,000 years.).

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

1) Intelligence tests measure different kinds of intelligence, which are difficult to assess for broad international groups

1 + 1 = 2.

IQ Tests are no different to Math Class, which is already used to assess Children's learning. If you can solve the above question on your own, congratz! You are at least not a retard. But now try and solve (1y + 2x) + (4a2 x 7b2) ? Can't do that or need help from a calculator? Then you're clearly not smart...

2) The concept of 'race' "a sociopolitical phenomenon rather than a biological one", dating back to the 16th century and the start of European expansion

Isn't it funny how Black people, Asian people, Hispanic people can all agree that they exist, but the minute someone says "White people" or "European people" exist, race is now imaginary? Sorry but it's blatant hypocrisy, and you know it. You don't walk in the middle of Africa and find a tribe of people with blond hair, blue eyes, white skin, who speak Russian. Every continent on this planet has created a subgroup of humans who act and look physically different from each other.

3) A few points on an intelligence scale and/or in racial differences are not significant when one considers the value of that information in a person's actions, how we judge the actions of others, and what we want in society

IQ is the reason nations either fail or prosper. Every Black ruled country is a disaster. Every Hispanic ruled country is a little successful but not stable. Every European nation is successful and stable. Every East Asian country is extremely successful but quite strict.

It's amazing how these blatant differences has been spun by mainstream media to be "fake" yet there is no counter evidence.

4) I appreciate that you've likely heard all of this and still won't agree with any of it. My view is that attempts to divide people on the basis of race and intelligence is historically problematic for society. This is one of the reasons I often agree with criticisms of conservative Jews (though I often agree with liberal Jews), because conservative Jews make similar arguments about the reasons for not mixing with non-Jews (as do conservatives of other ethnic and national groups, with whom I also disagree, because the historical lesson is that ethnocentrism always causes additional problems, in all attempts dating back 10,000 years.).

You have it the other way around. I support race and intelligence because it's the moral way to end suffering.

Diversity has never once worked in human history. All the major races (i.e Blacks/Whites/Asians) have never created a society where they all end up in equal. There is always disproportionate violence or wealth that is racial in origin.

The solution? Don't force these people to live together and naturally segregate them. Africa is a big continent and so is Europe. There is enough land that says Black people can live far away from White people and vice versa and both groups will be kept safe by this.

[–]EuropeanAwakening14 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

All of the claims you're making are wrong and have been debunked so many times it's not even interesting anymore.

https://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/the-existence-of-race/

What's you're view on transracial adoption studies? What's your view on the fact that different races have different average brain size and skull volume? Also, psychometrists disagree with you on intelligence tests. https://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2016/04/15/multiple-intelligences-emotional-intelligence-creativity-and-g/

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

All of the claims you're making are wrong and have been debunked so many times it's not even interesting anymore.

The topic is obviously 'interesting' to those who dislike others who don't look like the group that wants to 'debunk' the claims. Note that the links you've provided are themselves referencing "the alternative hypothesis." These are not mainstream views for a good reason. My approach is to look at the history of eugenics, racism, and metropolitan areas that date back thousands of years. The mixing of people is inevitable on heavily populated areas that engage in regional trade. Those who don't like this ethnic (or social, or religious, or whatever) mixing have in many cases developed their own special groups and territories. In many cases these insular groups have faced numerous difficulties, and some have gone extinct. If you want to form or join an all-whte community, do that. As for the majority of people who've traditionally not done this, they will in many cases outpace the insular groups in every way. Hope this helps.

[–]outrageousboote 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

The average latino does not lack a significant amount of amerind and sometimes black ancestry, most of them cant be called white and significant new world admixture has been established.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Is this what your DNA and ethnographic research indicates? The "significance" of mixed-race ancestry is of course debatable, especially when you consider that these ancestors date back as much as 2000 years or more. In this context, the potential corruption of their "whiteness" is ridiculous, when one considers mixed-ethnicities in Europe, and especially Spain and Portugal.

[–]outrageousboote 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Large amounts of MENA or Arab admixture, or otherwise non native admixture in Spain or Portugal has been debunked by modern genetics studies, if that's what you are saying, but Mexicans for example are even up to half amerind on average, and this dates back only 500 years.

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[–]outrageousboote 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

https://italianthro.blogspot.com/2014/09/overestimated-admixture-brisighelli-2012.html?m=1 Newer source

https://italianthro.blogspot.com/2014/06/mediterranean-sea-as-genetic-barrier.html?m=1

https://italianthro.blogspot.com/2011/10/moors-expelled-from-sicily-and-south.html?m=1

Focuses on Spain more:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1275654/

"The Islamic rule of Spain, which began in a.d. 711 and lasted almost 8 centuries, left only a minor contribution to the current Iberian Y-chromosome pool. The high-resolution analysis of the Y chromosome allows us to separate successive migratory components and to precisely quantify each historical layer."

I'm sure any overview of Mexican genetics would show a significant amerind component.

The article you linked doesn't show a study so a lot of important info such as the sample and its representativeness is missing, and what is interpreted as "Sephardic" (which could very well be different ancestry, which this critique seems to think.)

""To formally assess the impact of North African and Sephardic Jewish contributions on the indigenous population, we carried out admixture analysis, employing the mY estimator and treating the study populations as hybrids of three parental populations. We chose the Basques as the Iberian parental sample. This is justified on the basis of a relative absence of Muslim occupation of the Basque region and supported by the genetic distinctiveness of the Basque and neighboring Gascon samples (Figure 3).

In plain English, the authors could just as well have written: "Basques are distinct from other Iberians. This may be due to either (i) the fact that there were indeed differences between Basques and other Iberians even before the Muslim occupation/Jewish settlement: after all they occupy their own region, not Iberia-at-large, and speak a different language. Or, (ii) it could be that the rest of the Iberians have undergone substantial admixture with Muslims and Jews. We arbitrarily choose hypothesis (ii) as our premise, and ¡qué sorpresa! our data backs up our pre-supposed idea.""

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks. I'll have a closer look.

[–]Fitter_HappierWhite Nationalist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Every word out of your mouth is wrong in some way, it's amazingly consistent. I defy you to show me the data that says there's ANY significant Native American in the general White population, not counting Mexicans.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Perhaps you should re-read what I wrote. (Also, the words aren't 'out of my mouth'; they're typed.)

I didn't write that there was any "ANY significant Native American [DNA] in the general White population".

I wrote:

Not much "race mixing" when 90% of the Aztecs and their neighbours died of smallpox shortly after Cortés arrived. There is almost as much Native American in some of the descendants of North American settlers. Defining what's NOT "white" will become more difficult over time, if we consider DNA.

Loses of 90% of North and Centrail American native groups to smallpox and other diseases resulted in FEWER native populations, many of whom - and their ancestors - nonetheless had children with the European populations. It's not that complicated, and you can read about it in various history texts.

[–]Fitter_HappierWhite Nationalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Also, the words aren't 'out of my mouth'; they're typed.)

excellent point. you're a fantastic contributor to this forum.

[–]peaceful 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

You're not kidding, comments are great. It's probably 4chan comments though, not normies.

[–]IkeConn 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

If white people are so bad then why does everyone else envy them and want to fuck them?

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Jealousy.

White people were driving around in cars or flying to the Moon, while other groups were still playing with wooden spears and living in houses made of elephant shit.

[–]NayenezganiNot alt-right 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

When I interact with African or Asian SJWs, sometimes I feel like they are the incels of race. Hate Europeans (and think they're inferior) but want to mate with them.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Absolutely shocking that a NEW YORK CITY Tonight Show audience (and tourists) are happy that the US is 8.6% more diverse (unless of you know anything about NYC).

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    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    [–]Fonched 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Appalling that we deserve this because of colonization apparently. And what hilariouys comments too, we can certainly have more support without the censors in place. Other than this, my questions about the theory are:

    *What is everyone's thoughts on the whole demographic transition model thing? (birth rates/immigration rates go down in developed societies)

    *Is it just simply a strawman that we are "going extinct"? That's what many believe we are meaning, while we are declining I doubt we'll hit rock bottom.

    *What is the evidence that this population decline is a plot, and not just non-Whites choosing White countries which have the highest standards?

    [–]Fitter_HappierWhite Nationalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I was pleased to see Fallon's response. He was at least like "WTF? Why would you cheer that?"