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[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

It sort of goes back to that Hitler quote -- which I think Schmitt or Heidegger may have said first -- that Bolshevism was the bastard child of Christianity which I sort of agree with but ultimately think is misleading. There's so many long discussions about this topic on the board as well if you go back. I'll try and find some specific threads. I'd say that if you look around the world irreligiosity and especially the decline of Christianity coincides with the rise of liberalism to which the Christian critics respond that liberalism is merely an extended memeotype of Christianity.

I'd typify the default position of nearly all liberal effort and discourse as the normalization of the other and some point to certain biblical passages that suggest embracing that type of attitude but looking at history I see it as a very recent Christian phenomenon that seems to coincide with the rise of liberalism.

Also I would argue that there is an innate hostility most liberals posses towards Christianity which is because of a proper recognition of just how fundamentally opposed to their worldview Christianity really is but then again people could counter and say that it's merely two sets of high priests jostling for power and reflects that and not a fundamental conflict of ideals.

I'd say Protestantism was definitely a precursor to the rise of liberalism though. Whatever one may think of the current Pope and his idiotic liberal musings at its core the Catholic church is profoundly illiberal. Protestantism gave rise to hyper-individualism and the idea that any mad freak could just interpret and practice the faith in any kooky way they chose. I see nothing fundamentally liberal about the way most Orthodox Christians practice their faith either and that's something the 'Christianity is cucked' people don't seem eager to explain.

In a way I see where the people who denounce Christianity are coming from and thing they have some valid points -- especially when looking at contemporary Christianity -- but reject the idea that there was some telos contained within Christianity that inevitably was going to lead to what we see today.

Also the Jewish role in the rise of liberalism should be considered but that's another massive topic. There's no more profoundly anti-Christian tribe on the face of the Earth so how their role would fit into the idea that Christianity gave birth to liberalism seems to demand an explanation -- funnily enough you see so many Old Testament names springing up during the Reformation because Prots wanted to LARP as Jews.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

funnily enough you see so many Old Testament names springing up during the Reformation because Prots wanted to LARP as Jews.

very interested in this. Could you explain or link to info about this?

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

E. Michael Jones has written a lot about that topic, dragon. There's an entire chapter in The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit about it and I'm sure if you go over to culture wars you can find his writings on the topic.

[–]Rakean93Identitarian socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's a well know topic actually. Epecially the calvinists considered themselves, in a sort of way, to be the new "Jews". The whole idea of building a "city on the Hill" (Massachusetts) or a "community of saints" (Geneva) was linked to a strict interpretation of the predestination that resemble the jew's argument about the chosen people. That eventually (very rapidly) evolved in the Covenant Theology https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covenant_theology#:~:text=Covenant%20theology%20(also%20known%20as,organizing%20principle%20for%20Christian%20theology. which obviusly resemble the jew's attitude toward the "pact between God and the Chosen People" based on the Laws. Note that this doesn't mean that every calvinist recognized itself as a "New Jew"; but it was a common theme and it's been analized in several works.