Alt-right and Mugabe

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[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

I don't even like the guy, I'm a fascist and he's some kind of theocratic Traditionalist/Reactionary or some shit. I just find these ignorant assertions about him annoying as fuck because of how stupid they are.

You realise Dugin hysteria was invented by fucking Glenn Beck right? You're mouthing some stupid ass boomercon talking point, you might as well be talking about Marxist businesses or some other equally retarded boomercon talking point.

[–]YORAMRWWhite nationalist, eugenicist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

PS: I've watched the Glenn Beck video, and he talks of how Dugin supposedly wants to make whites in Western Europe become pro-white as if it's a bad thing, which is literally the opposite of my critique of Dugin. I don't believe in the schizo bullshit that Dugin and his supporters secretly control the dissident right, or whatever ridiculous strawman you've made up to demonize anyone who criticizes Dugin, but since he's anti-white it's only fair if I bring that up when I see Dugin being praised in our own circles.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

I don't believe in the schizo bullshit that Dugin and his supporters secretly control the dissident right

Good because that's retarded.

or whatever ridiculous strawman you've made up to demonize anyone who criticizes Dugin

You're not criticising Dugin. You're using his name in the same way that people say Hitler. You said yourself you don't know anything about him.

but since he's anti-white it's only fair if I bring that up when I see Dugin being praised in our own circles.

You literally randomly brought him up lol. That's my issue, people randomly saying nonsensical bullshit that is only designed to cause stupid infighting and shit instead of focusing on people with power. Even if Dugin was this rabid anti-white what would it matter? You don't bring up the endless list of people with power over you who actually are anti-white but you bring up this random fucking academic in Russia who has literally no influence over anything or anyone. Do you realise how absurd it is? That's what my problem with it is, even if what you say about him is true (it's not) it would still be beyond irrelevant and stupid to go on and on about.

Imagine for a second you're in a war and you're planning out your attacks with some general or whatever and some guy starts randomly talking about how it's important we go out and kill some random guy who used to be a teacher in a university (but he got kicked out because his ideas were unpopular even in his own country) that is thousands of miles away from the battlefield and has absolutely no connection with the people you're at war with. That's what you're doing when you bring up Dugin.

[–]YORAMRWWhite nationalist, eugenicist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

You're not criticising Dugin. You're using his name in the same way that people say Hitler. You said yourself you don't know anything about him.

I don't much about Dugin, but I know he's anti-white. That's enough for me to know about him. (If you can disprove that he's anti-white to me, I'm eager to listen, because you're so well-read about Dugin compared to me). By your logic, you shouldn't be allowed to call out any other political figure for being anti-white when they're brought up by someone in our own circles either, unless you've wasted your time doing extensive research into his life history and his other polical views.

You literally randomly brought him up lol.

I didn't randomly bring him up, and I've never done so, stop gaslighting me. I've seen other people in our own circles bring him up in a positive light on multiple occasions, and the few times I've brought him up it was always in response to such instances, to make them aware of the anti-white views Dugin holds. In this case, OP not only self-identifies as a nazbol just like Dugin, he also literally espouses the same type of views as Dugin regarding Zimbabwe, so not random at all.

Imagine for a second you're in a war and you're planning out your attacks with some general or whatever and some guy starts randomly talking about how it's important we go out and kill some random guy who used to be a teacher in a university (but he got kicked out because his ideas were unpopular even in his own country) that is thousands of miles away from the battlefield and has absolutely no connection with the people you're at war with. That's what you're doing when you bring up Dugin.

This is just such a disingenuous analogy. This is an online discussion forum, not a battlefield where we're physically fighting our enemies and life depends on it. Briefly pointing out someone is anti-white in repsonse to seeing him praised by people on our side to make them aware that they're praising an anti-white, on an online discussion forum, is in no way similar to demanding your fellow soldiers on the battlefield stop fighting the enemy in front of them and physically go after some random anti-white who lives thousands of miles away.

[–]NolobenGlory to Great Russian Empire! Today Ukraine, tomorrow Canada![S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Maybe you should understand Dugin's perspective. He isn't really anti-White since he is a Russian Nationalist and Russians are White. But it is the "white" ZOG controlled countries that have been the biggest bullies of Russia and Belarus and supporters of the genocide of WHITE Russians by the Kiev kike junta. Meanwhile, third world leaders including Mugabe have been allies of Russia and opposed the ZOG bullying of Russia. Why the fuck should Dugin not support them?

I am saying this as someone who thinks Dugin's philosophy is mostly weird and cringey but he is right on geopolitics.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Mugabe have been allies of Russia and opposed the ZOG bullying of Russia

How did they oppose it out of interest? I mean what actions did Mugabe take to those ends.

[–]NolobenGlory to Great Russian Empire! Today Ukraine, tomorrow Canada![S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Nothing specific but he was friendly to Russia and Belarus IIRC. There were pictures of Lukashenko, Mugabe and Chávez at meetings that were used by neocons as "axis of evil" propaganda. Which of course means they were actually an axis of good.

[–]YORAMRWWhite nationalist, eugenicist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Maybe you should understand Dugin's perspective. He isn't really anti-White since he is a Russian Nationalist and Russians are White.

I don't know, Dugin's remarks he made in the quote I sent to you sound pretty anti-white to me. Since Russians are white, you can't be a Russian nationalist and be anti-white simultaneously, as that would necessarily make you anti-Russian as well.

But it is the "white" ZOG controlled countries that have been the biggest bullies of Russia and Belarus and supporters of the genocide of WHITE Russians by the Kiev kike junta.

I hate to break it to you, but Russia isn't the based paradise you think it is. If you merely espouse white nationalist views in Russia, you literally risk going to prison or getting assassinated by the FSB, even worse than how white nationalists are treated by governemnts of the US and its allies. It was a hard pill to swallow for me, I also wanted to keep believing Russia to be this last bastion of white identity and Christian conservatism standing against a ZOG world order, but the Russian government engages in just the same ZOG-like practices suppressing their white population. This of course, is in no way a dig at the Russian people, only its government, I know there are many based Russians. The ongoing Russia-Ukraine war is yet another example of whites being forced to kill whites (in this case even of the same ethnicity) by powerful people who obviously don't care about whites, so I don't see a reason to root for either side of this brother war.

Meanwhile, third world leaders including Mugabe have been allies of Russia and opposed the ZOG bullying of Russia. Why the fuck should Dugin not support them?

Well, for Dugin of course its only logical to support an anti-white terrorist-turned-dictator since he's anti-white himself. The question is, why the fuck would anyone who is white, let alone anyone who actually cares about white people, support this genocidal anti-white maniac called Mugabe?

[–]NolobenGlory to Great Russian Empire! Today Ukraine, tomorrow Canada![S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I never said the Russian government was pro-white. It's not anti-Zionist either. In fact the biggest problem with Duginism is it lacks an anti-jewish perspective. To the extent it even criticizes Israel it's just for being a mere puppet of the "Atlanticists".

That said a real nationalist Russia would be totally awesome and the fact that Putin SOMETIMES takes patriotic positions (unlike Yeltsin) is the reason the scum who control the west attack him. He's not based, but he's too based for the west because his foreign policy does generally defend Russia's national interests. In domestic policy (both economic and social) the Russian government is mostly garbage and not a lot better than the west. Belarus is much better but far from perfect.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

(If you can disprove that he's anti-white to me, I'm eager to listen, because you're so well-read about Dugin compared to me)

Hardly read anything. I've listened to a couple podcast interviews he did and he just talks about the same kind of shit Evola and other traditionalists do. When he's talking about white he's basically just saying Modernity or 'The Western World' (liberal capitalism, the empire of nothing etc). I find him entirely uninteresting, anything of value he has to say that relates to us can be found in way more interesting and relevant figures to us.

By your logic, you shouldn't be allowed to call out any other political figure for being anti-white when they're brought up by someone in our own circles either, unless you've wasted your time doing extensive research into his life history and his other polical views.

Absolutely shouldn't if the person is completely irrelevant. Dugin isn't even in Europe or America, he isn't trying to gain a following here, he has no influence in our institutions etc. Caring about some random guy in a completely different country is absurdity, are you going to pick out some random Chinese academic with no influence in our countries or even his own next? This is what I'm pointing out, it's just stupid and not at all related to our struggle in the slightest. It's goyfeed to distract you from actual serious political thinking.

This is just such a disingenuous analogy. This is an online discussion forum, not a battlefield where we're physically fighting our enemies and life depends on it.

It's not at all. It's literally 1:1 with what we're doing. We're in a national liberation struggle fighting jews for power within our countries. You're randomly talking about completely irrelevant people instead of the battle we actually have to fight in front of us.

Briefly pointing out someone is anti-white in repsonse to seeing him praised by people on our side to make them aware that they're praising an anti-white,

Nobody praised him, as I said you randomly brought him up because you wanted to characterise OP as a 'Duginist' instead of just talking engaging with whatever dumb shit he was talking about.

on an online discussion forum, is in no way similar to demanding your fellow soldiers on the battlefield stop fighting the enemy in front of them and physically go after some random anti-white who lives thousands of miles away.

Read it again, I specified we're planning. And the situation is literally identical, you are suggesting a random civilian thousands of miles away from the battlefield is a target of our battle. This kind of thinking is only possible if you allow malicious people to implant stupid ideas into your mind.