Alt-right and Mugabe

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[–]YORAMRWWhite nationalist, eugenicist 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (21 children)

Why in the hell should we care that he got criticized by our enemies for disliking faggots, especially since almost everyone in the third would does? We're pro-white (unlike you, as this post and your comments on it have clearly shown), while Mugabe was anti-white and literally directed a genocide against the white population in "his" country built on top of the very same whites.

I don't know if you're just a black, brown or Jewish shill/troll who hates white people like most of them do, or if you're white and genuine, but if you're in fact white and genuine, rooting for an anti-white psychopath like Mugabe just because he also dislikes fags must mean you must have such a strong lack of racial ingroup preference that you could only be severly mentally ill and would be sterilized and locked up in an insane asylum in any sane white-run society.

Given your flair, it's of course no surprise that you hold those views. Not only is Alexander Dugin (the founding father of your ideology) anti-white, he also literally supports Mugabe and the black Zimbabweans just like you do. (The Dugin quote in question). I guess this is what putting ideology above race does to MF: Some vague universal principles, like being anti-Jewish, being socially conservative, being anti-capitalist and/or being third wordist/anti-imperialist, become so much the focal point of your worldview to the point that you'll literally support suiciding your own race as long as it fullfils one of those principles.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (20 children)

Alexander Dugin wasn't even born when NazBol was a thing retard, nor is he even a NazBol. Nor is the OP a NazBol, he's a Maoist third worldist.

[–]YORAMRWWhite nationalist, eugenicist 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (19 children)

Alexander Dugin wasn't even born when NazBol was a thing retard

I've looked up national bolshevism again and it turns out that you're right about this one, my bad. But other than that, my point still stands, Dugin and OP are both self-proclaimed nazbols and they literally hold the same views on Mugabe. Also, why do you always get so hostile to people when they criticize Dugin, even though he's literally anti-white? Almost as if you fanatically support him or something.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

I don't even like the guy, I'm a fascist and he's some kind of theocratic Traditionalist/Reactionary or some shit. I just find these ignorant assertions about him annoying as fuck because of how stupid they are.

You realise Dugin hysteria was invented by fucking Glenn Beck right? You're mouthing some stupid ass boomercon talking point, you might as well be talking about Marxist businesses or some other equally retarded boomercon talking point.

[–]YORAMRWWhite nationalist, eugenicist 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

I don't even like the guy, I'm a fascist and he's some kind of theocratic Traditionalist/Reactionary or some shit. I just find these ignorant assertions about him annoying as fuck because of how stupid they are.

Then why do care so much when people criticize Dugin. You apparently don't like Dugin, your worldviews are different, and the assertions of him are stupid anyways, so it wouldn't make sense for you to defend Dugin so much.

You realise Dugin hysteria was invented by fucking Glenn Beck right? You're mouthing some stupid ass boomercon talking point, you might as well be talking about Marxist businesses or some other equally retarded boomercon talking point.

Do you really think Dugin didn't actually say those things in the quote I shared? Assuming he did say those things, this means he's very anti-white. How am I supposed to know about Glenn Beck and him inventing the Dugin hysteria(?), I haven't really looked that much into the Dugin stuff.

I'm pro-white, and I just see that someone is anti-white, that's more than enough reason for me to hate that person. If being pro-white, and hating anti-whites regardless of what other views they may hold besides being anti-white (or who their allies and enemies are), makes me a "stupid ass boomercon", then so be it, but by that logic over half of this sub would be "stupid ass boomercons" as well.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Regarding beck and dugin if you want a laugh the old video of him doing a big white board presentation and 'connecting the dots' and showing how dugin is part of this worldwide bond villain style plan is actually fucking hilarious and well worth watching.

[–]YORAMRWWhite nationalist, eugenicist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

That sounds fun, do you have a link or the title of the video? I can't find it anywhere

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I can't find it either. It's really old and mentions Richard Spencer from memory. I'll keep looking.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Yes more than half of this sub are retarded, that's no excuse for you to indulge also. I care about telling people to stop being retarded because I want to help our guys be smart enough to win.

[–]YORAMRWWhite nationalist, eugenicist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I agree that if over half of the sub was retarded this shouldn't give me a free pass for being retarded as well, but I don't see how hating anti-white political figures for being anti-white (even if they share a common enemy with us and/or agree with us on most non-racial issues) is retarded, unless you're not actually pro-white. Being a boomercon would be hating someone who is clearly pro-white just because he's left-leaning on economic issues and calling him a socialist/communist shill for it, not hating an anti-white for being anti-white.

I think working with people and movements that literally want to destroy our race (like Dugin, Mugabe, black supremacists in America, Muslim migrants in Europe, etc.) just to defeat a common enemy will usually just bite you in the back, and should only be done with a lot of caution and only if the benefits for us outweigh the costs. I'm curious to hear your perspective on this.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

but I don't see how hating anti-white political figures for being anti-white (even if they share a common enemy with us and/or agree with us on most non-racial issues) is retarded, unless you're not actually pro-white.

So all you care about is white people? So you'd be fine under a hostile occupation of the most evil white capitalists that behave exactly like jews? You're fine with liberalism? You'd be fine under an all-white communism? These things with racial incoherence are obviously worse but these things are destroying our people's soul a LOT more than the demographic situation is. People were writing about the disastrous anti-social elements of modernity long before any of our countries started getting immigration.

Look at what he calls white, do you identify with those things and desire them? They represent literally everything good people, He's referring to the white/western world (capitalism/liberalism/modernity), I don't know if he's being intentionally provocative or if it's a misquote or what but if you actually read the quote you can see what he's referring to quite easily lol. Every white man should hate the white world if that is what the white world is defined as.

I think working with people and movements that literally want to destroy our race (like Dugin, Mugabe, black supremacists in America, Muslim migrants in Europe, etc.) just to defeat a common enemy will usually just bite you in the back, and should only be done with a lot of caution and only if the benefits for us outweigh the costs. I'm curious to hear your perspective on this.

None of these groups have the possibility of doing any harm to our race because they could never possibly have power over us. The only group that is a threat to us is jews, all the others only become threats when jews are already in power. I couldn't give less of a shit what black nationalists think about white people because when jews are gone what are they gonna do? Throw stone spears at us? They can help us get our liberation at which point we'll obviously have absolutely all of the leverage, even if they desired with every ounce of their being to oppose us they couldn't possibly hope to come close. The same goes for literally every group within our borders, jews are the only threat to us.

[–]YORAMRWWhite nationalist, eugenicist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

So all you care about is white people? So you'd be fine under a hostile occupation of the most evil white capitalists that behave exactly like jews? You're fine with liberalism? You'd be fine under an all-white communism?

No, I don't just care about white people, stop putting words in my mouth. However, white people are what I care most about. If I supported liberalism or communism as long as it was all-white, I couldn't be genuinely pro-white in the first place because those things harm white people and being pro-white requires opposing whatever harms white people.

If you've paid attention, I quite often talk about how anti-white whites shouldn't be treated as white just because they're genetically white, but rather as enemy combatants just like non-white anti-whites, so obviously I wouldn't support liberalism or communism just because it's all-white.

Opposing anything and anyone that's anti-white doesn't equal being okay with or supporting anything no matter how immoral or harmful to whites as long as it's white. Putting your race above ideology doesn't equal not caring about ideology and non-racial issues whatsoever.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No, I don't just care about white people, stop putting words in my mouth. However, white people are what I care most about. If I supported liberalism or communism as long as it was all-white, I couldn't be genuinely pro-white in the first place because those things harm white people and being pro-white requires opposing whatever harms white people.

So you're in agreeance with Dugin then, you also don't like what he refers to as the White World. Dugin is quite the fan of Medieval Europe for example which was obviously all white, if we know these 2 data points we know he's not anti-white in the sense that you're pro-white. He's anti-'White' in the sense that you are also, you both hate the soulless materialistic world that is in fact itself anti-white.

If you've paid attention, I quite often talk about how anti-white whites shouldn't be treated as white just because they're genetically white, but rather as enemy combatants just like non-white anti-whites, so obviously I wouldn't support liberalism or communism just because it's all-white.

I don't pay attention to usernames most the time.

Opposing anything and anyone that's anti-white doesn't equal being okay with or supporting anything no matter how immoral or harmful to whites as long as it's white. Putting your race above ideology doesn't equal not caring about ideology and non-racial issues whatsoever.

Agreed. Now let's focus on researching and spreading information on relevant people who have power over us instead of random powerless civilians thousands of miles away.

For example send this to every person from the UK you know to inform them on who actually has power over them.

[–]YORAMRWWhite nationalist, eugenicist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

PS: I've watched the Glenn Beck video, and he talks of how Dugin supposedly wants to make whites in Western Europe become pro-white as if it's a bad thing, which is literally the opposite of my critique of Dugin. I don't believe in the schizo bullshit that Dugin and his supporters secretly control the dissident right, or whatever ridiculous strawman you've made up to demonize anyone who criticizes Dugin, but since he's anti-white it's only fair if I bring that up when I see Dugin being praised in our own circles.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

I don't believe in the schizo bullshit that Dugin and his supporters secretly control the dissident right

Good because that's retarded.

or whatever ridiculous strawman you've made up to demonize anyone who criticizes Dugin

You're not criticising Dugin. You're using his name in the same way that people say Hitler. You said yourself you don't know anything about him.

but since he's anti-white it's only fair if I bring that up when I see Dugin being praised in our own circles.

You literally randomly brought him up lol. That's my issue, people randomly saying nonsensical bullshit that is only designed to cause stupid infighting and shit instead of focusing on people with power. Even if Dugin was this rabid anti-white what would it matter? You don't bring up the endless list of people with power over you who actually are anti-white but you bring up this random fucking academic in Russia who has literally no influence over anything or anyone. Do you realise how absurd it is? That's what my problem with it is, even if what you say about him is true (it's not) it would still be beyond irrelevant and stupid to go on and on about.

Imagine for a second you're in a war and you're planning out your attacks with some general or whatever and some guy starts randomly talking about how it's important we go out and kill some random guy who used to be a teacher in a university (but he got kicked out because his ideas were unpopular even in his own country) that is thousands of miles away from the battlefield and has absolutely no connection with the people you're at war with. That's what you're doing when you bring up Dugin.

[–]YORAMRWWhite nationalist, eugenicist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

You're not criticising Dugin. You're using his name in the same way that people say Hitler. You said yourself you don't know anything about him.

I don't much about Dugin, but I know he's anti-white. That's enough for me to know about him. (If you can disprove that he's anti-white to me, I'm eager to listen, because you're so well-read about Dugin compared to me). By your logic, you shouldn't be allowed to call out any other political figure for being anti-white when they're brought up by someone in our own circles either, unless you've wasted your time doing extensive research into his life history and his other polical views.

You literally randomly brought him up lol.

I didn't randomly bring him up, and I've never done so, stop gaslighting me. I've seen other people in our own circles bring him up in a positive light on multiple occasions, and the few times I've brought him up it was always in response to such instances, to make them aware of the anti-white views Dugin holds. In this case, OP not only self-identifies as a nazbol just like Dugin, he also literally espouses the same type of views as Dugin regarding Zimbabwe, so not random at all.

Imagine for a second you're in a war and you're planning out your attacks with some general or whatever and some guy starts randomly talking about how it's important we go out and kill some random guy who used to be a teacher in a university (but he got kicked out because his ideas were unpopular even in his own country) that is thousands of miles away from the battlefield and has absolutely no connection with the people you're at war with. That's what you're doing when you bring up Dugin.

This is just such a disingenuous analogy. This is an online discussion forum, not a battlefield where we're physically fighting our enemies and life depends on it. Briefly pointing out someone is anti-white in repsonse to seeing him praised by people on our side to make them aware that they're praising an anti-white, on an online discussion forum, is in no way similar to demanding your fellow soldiers on the battlefield stop fighting the enemy in front of them and physically go after some random anti-white who lives thousands of miles away.

[–]NolobenGlory to Great Russian Empire! Today Ukraine, tomorrow Canada![S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Maybe you should understand Dugin's perspective. He isn't really anti-White since he is a Russian Nationalist and Russians are White. But it is the "white" ZOG controlled countries that have been the biggest bullies of Russia and Belarus and supporters of the genocide of WHITE Russians by the Kiev kike junta. Meanwhile, third world leaders including Mugabe have been allies of Russia and opposed the ZOG bullying of Russia. Why the fuck should Dugin not support them?

I am saying this as someone who thinks Dugin's philosophy is mostly weird and cringey but he is right on geopolitics.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Mugabe have been allies of Russia and opposed the ZOG bullying of Russia

How did they oppose it out of interest? I mean what actions did Mugabe take to those ends.

[–]NolobenGlory to Great Russian Empire! Today Ukraine, tomorrow Canada![S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Nothing specific but he was friendly to Russia and Belarus IIRC. There were pictures of Lukashenko, Mugabe and Chávez at meetings that were used by neocons as "axis of evil" propaganda. Which of course means they were actually an axis of good.

[–]YORAMRWWhite nationalist, eugenicist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Maybe you should understand Dugin's perspective. He isn't really anti-White since he is a Russian Nationalist and Russians are White.

I don't know, Dugin's remarks he made in the quote I sent to you sound pretty anti-white to me. Since Russians are white, you can't be a Russian nationalist and be anti-white simultaneously, as that would necessarily make you anti-Russian as well.

But it is the "white" ZOG controlled countries that have been the biggest bullies of Russia and Belarus and supporters of the genocide of WHITE Russians by the Kiev kike junta.

I hate to break it to you, but Russia isn't the based paradise you think it is. If you merely espouse white nationalist views in Russia, you literally risk going to prison or getting assassinated by the FSB, even worse than how white nationalists are treated by governemnts of the US and its allies. It was a hard pill to swallow for me, I also wanted to keep believing Russia to be this last bastion of white identity and Christian conservatism standing against a ZOG world order, but the Russian government engages in just the same ZOG-like practices suppressing their white population. This of course, is in no way a dig at the Russian people, only its government, I know there are many based Russians. The ongoing Russia-Ukraine war is yet another example of whites being forced to kill whites (in this case even of the same ethnicity) by powerful people who obviously don't care about whites, so I don't see a reason to root for either side of this brother war.

Meanwhile, third world leaders including Mugabe have been allies of Russia and opposed the ZOG bullying of Russia. Why the fuck should Dugin not support them?

Well, for Dugin of course its only logical to support an anti-white terrorist-turned-dictator since he's anti-white himself. The question is, why the fuck would anyone who is white, let alone anyone who actually cares about white people, support this genocidal anti-white maniac called Mugabe?

[–]NolobenGlory to Great Russian Empire! Today Ukraine, tomorrow Canada![S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I never said the Russian government was pro-white. It's not anti-Zionist either. In fact the biggest problem with Duginism is it lacks an anti-jewish perspective. To the extent it even criticizes Israel it's just for being a mere puppet of the "Atlanticists".

That said a real nationalist Russia would be totally awesome and the fact that Putin SOMETIMES takes patriotic positions (unlike Yeltsin) is the reason the scum who control the west attack him. He's not based, but he's too based for the west because his foreign policy does generally defend Russia's national interests. In domestic policy (both economic and social) the Russian government is mostly garbage and not a lot better than the west. Belarus is much better but far from perfect.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

(If you can disprove that he's anti-white to me, I'm eager to listen, because you're so well-read about Dugin compared to me)

Hardly read anything. I've listened to a couple podcast interviews he did and he just talks about the same kind of shit Evola and other traditionalists do. When he's talking about white he's basically just saying Modernity or 'The Western World' (liberal capitalism, the empire of nothing etc). I find him entirely uninteresting, anything of value he has to say that relates to us can be found in way more interesting and relevant figures to us.

By your logic, you shouldn't be allowed to call out any other political figure for being anti-white when they're brought up by someone in our own circles either, unless you've wasted your time doing extensive research into his life history and his other polical views.

Absolutely shouldn't if the person is completely irrelevant. Dugin isn't even in Europe or America, he isn't trying to gain a following here, he has no influence in our institutions etc. Caring about some random guy in a completely different country is absurdity, are you going to pick out some random Chinese academic with no influence in our countries or even his own next? This is what I'm pointing out, it's just stupid and not at all related to our struggle in the slightest. It's goyfeed to distract you from actual serious political thinking.

This is just such a disingenuous analogy. This is an online discussion forum, not a battlefield where we're physically fighting our enemies and life depends on it.

It's not at all. It's literally 1:1 with what we're doing. We're in a national liberation struggle fighting jews for power within our countries. You're randomly talking about completely irrelevant people instead of the battle we actually have to fight in front of us.

Briefly pointing out someone is anti-white in repsonse to seeing him praised by people on our side to make them aware that they're praising an anti-white,

Nobody praised him, as I said you randomly brought him up because you wanted to characterise OP as a 'Duginist' instead of just talking engaging with whatever dumb shit he was talking about.

on an online discussion forum, is in no way similar to demanding your fellow soldiers on the battlefield stop fighting the enemy in front of them and physically go after some random anti-white who lives thousands of miles away.

Read it again, I specified we're planning. And the situation is literally identical, you are suggesting a random civilian thousands of miles away from the battlefield is a target of our battle. This kind of thinking is only possible if you allow malicious people to implant stupid ideas into your mind.