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[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

If a White French person migrated to Poland, would they be able to become Polish?

Yes.

If they can, why can't a Turkish person who's lived in Poland their whole life,mastered the language,loves and engages with the culture and history etc?

Not European.

What do you think about Africa's diversity? For example the massive difference between West and East African. Do you consider African to be one race? Is Indian one race? What race are people in Afghanistan? What race are people in Indonesia? What about in the Philippines?

I don't care.

If an Alt Right regime, say took over the UK, what would your general policy towards the non white populace who have lived there their whole lives? Would the regime seek mass deportations or would they show leniency? What would your policy be?

Remigration.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

If a White French person migrated to Poland, would they be able to become Polish?

Yes.

No

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

Lol so you think a child who is born of black parents can become white by being genetically modified and this is perfectly legitimate but people who are genetically very similar to each other cannot possibly overcome intra-racial national identities created by political borders within the racial organism? (Europe)

So someone who is from the midlands in England moves to Bournemouth and his children can never be considered southerners despite the fact that they will sound and act like southerners?

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Based and pan-Europeanistpilled.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

You don't get it, me and my neighbour next door are fundamentally different biologically speaking, that's biological reality.

If he moved to my house he wouldn't be part of my family, unless I genetically modified him.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Yes, thats what I believe. You don't become a horse by being born in a stable and acting like a horse. But if your child was genetically modified to have horse dna then yeah, your child would be a horse.

This is because being a horse is a BIOLOGICAL reality.

A french man is a french man, not a pole.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

This is absurdity. If France was never unified you would be claiming the petty states each have their own unique irreconcilable races but history has proven this wrong.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Where are you from?

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

England

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

And do you think the english are the same as the poles? I doubt that you're english if thats the case

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I know people who have Polish parents and the only reason anybody knows is because they tell you. Europeans are mutually assimilable because we're all the same race.

You've taken today's nation states and arbitrarily decided these are essential categories that have always and will always exist statically, this is beyond absurd. What if the kingdom of Denmark never existed and you were simply at the North of Germany or a part of Sweden or Norway? You would have no knowledge of 'Danish' as a 'genetic group' because it would just be part of the German, Swedish or Norwegian groups based on the political reality. If Europe was united as one you would similarly not make these distinctions the same way the Chinese don't make distinctions between the Han race despite the fact China is fucking huge and probably has more genetic diversity than Europe.

1500 years ago I would have been a Mercian and you would be saying 'do you think you're the same as a Northumbrian?'. The answer is no obviously, but 1500 years later we're both Englishman. In a similar way we have national borders within the European organism that only really exist due to political-historical circumstances, there could just as well be a single European state or 100 more than there are today and the genetic makeup of Europe would be completely unchanged.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

[–]ayotollahsinIran[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Why can the French person become Polish? They have no history with the country, their ancestors never lived in Poland.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Because they're genetically very close.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

What makes someone Polish?

Indistinguishability to other Polish people

If a White French person migrated to Poland, would they be able to become Polish?

Not likely, but their children would probably.

If they can, why can't a Turkish person who's lived in Poland their whole life,mastered the language,loves and engages with the culture and history etc?

A white person wouldn't magically fit in to Japanese society just because he's a weeaboo with a fetish for Japanese waifus. Jared Taylor speaks fluent Japanese but he's clearly not Japanese nor could he ever be Japanese, nor could his children. It would take a process of multiple generations of his bloodline being mixed with Japanese people until the white isn't noticeable anymore to effectively assimilate his family and make them become Japanese.

On the other hand a racially similar person, like a Han or a Korean can quite easily become assimilated as Japanese. A child of a Chinese and Japanese person will have a Japanese accent and such thus making them Japanese to everyone around them until they tell them they're half Chinese. Then it'll be like people who tell you they're half French and half English or something, there's nothing of note there.

What do you think about Africa's diversity?

Don't care

For example the massive difference between West and East African. Do you consider African to be one race?

Yes, there's nothing that stands out in their appearance for the most part, you have some outliers like Somalis who have their bulbheads and shit but in 99% of cases you could pick people randomly from Africa and they wouldn't immediately, instinctually, think of other blacks as being outside of their ingroup.

Is Indian one race?

Yes

What race are people in Afghanistan? What race are people in Indonesia? What about in the Philippines?

Don't care

If an Alt Right regime, say took over the UK, what would your general policy towards the non white populace who have lived there their whole lives? Would the regime seek mass deportations or would they show leniency? What would your policy be?

Homeland development scheme tied to voluntary repatriation. For example: the UK will invest X amount into Pakistan in various different industries and then the former British citizens go there and can buy ownership of these businesses at a low price. Some kind of zero interest mortgage type deal or something. Some people will basically get a really cheap house with farmland, some get small businesses, some will have ownership stakes in industry etc. It will help the home countries of these people to get an economic boost, and would be popular both in their home countries at here. It really benefits everyone, we get to fix the demographic situation of our country, they get the 'better life' meme while being back around their own families, cultures etc and their home governments will be incentivised to encourage them all to come back home for the economic boost and if they manage it correctly they could create nationalist sentiments around the 'returning to the reich' kind of narratives. Similar to Hitler's unification of the German reich, people love that sense of solidarity with their own kind and the reunification of their people.

I'd deport foreign criminals though of course. For people who don't utilise the very generous schemes to return to their ancestral homelands we would just make life less desirable for foreigners here by reversing all the anti-white policies to be pro-white ones mirroring the exact same stuff that's happening against us today. Companies will have to discriminate against them in hiring, education etc too. Then they also wouldn't be allowed to vote or hold office or work in societally influential sectors IE media, anything public etc. There would be no incentive for them to stay in our country.

[–]ayotollahsinIran[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

India doesn't really have a classification of race, its more based on language and culture there. Also there are alot of ethnicity's in India with light and dark skinned ones. It's naive to say the country is racially homogeneous.

Why does a non white person in the UK who was raised there, only knows the language and culture and has worked and served the economy of the country deserve to be discriminated against in hiring,education and losing their right to vote? Why would they want to go "back" to a land they've never been in and have no connection? What about mixed race people or those married to White Britons? What if a company refuses to discriminate?

Also do you really think the UK can afford that kind of investment? If you were at your local council meeting and you tried to pitch this idea, how many people would support it and how many would be repulsed?

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

India doesn't really have a classification of race, its more based on language and culture there. Also there are alot of ethnicity's in India with light and dark skinned ones. It's naive to say the country is racially homogeneous.

The same can be said for every race. I can pick out a bunch of differences between English, Italian, and Russian people but they're still obviously all white. The same way that Indians are obviously all Indian.

Why does a non white person in the UK who was raised there, only knows the language and culture and has worked and served the economy of the country deserve to be discriminated against in hiring,education and losing their right to vote?

They're not citizens. The needs of the people's community supersede the needs of capitalists.

Why would they want to go "back" to a land they've never been in and have no connection?

Everyone romanticises their ancestral homeland. There's a million reasons they would want to go to back, the only thing that is stopping them is capitalism. They can consoom more here so they stay on the dopamine treadmill. Once consumerist capitalism is gone everyone will immediately want to go home.

What about mixed race people or those married to White Britons?

Not sure what I'd pursue, there's a bunch of stuff and I'm not sure which would be popular.

What if a company refuses to discriminate?

The same thing that happens to ones that refuse to discriminate against whites today.

Also do you really think the UK can afford that kind of investment? If you were at your local council meeting and you tried to pitch this idea, how many people would support it and how many would be repulsed?

I'm not proposing it to a council meeting, I'm telling you what I'd do if I had the reins of power.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Not likely, but their children would probably.

Only if the french person mixed with a polish partner.

[–]YORAMRWWhite nationalist, eugenicist 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

What makes someone Polish?

Being someone who is genetically Slavic and whose ancestors have a history of living in Poland, or more specifically beloning to the West-Slavic Polish ethnic group.

If a White French person migrated to Poland, would they be able to become Polish?

The Frenchman (and especially his children) would probably assimilate into Polish society very easily, since the French and the Polish are both genetically and phenotypically relatively similar (since they're both white) as well as because they have cultural similarities they don't share with non-European groups. But technically a Frenchman can never Polish, since that would require being genetically Polish (or at least Slavic).

However, a Frenchman would still be more Polish than a non-white person due to the relative genetic and cultural similarities between the French and the Polish, and I personally don't really mind if some Frenchmen immigrate to Poland or vice versa, since they're both white and since it doesn't happen often enough for it pose a serious threat to the genetic integrity of the French or the Polish (compared to, let's say, sub-Saharan African mass-immigration).

If they can, why can't a Turkish person who's lived in Poland their whole life,mastered the language,loves and engages with the culture and history etc?

Like a Frenchman, a Turk could theoretically also assimilate into Polish society, but this is less likely since Turks are genetically, culturally as well as phentypically much more distant from the Polish than the French are, and for the same reason Turks are even less Polish than the French. We aren't civic nationalists like you who lack racial and ethnic ingroup preference (which is a mental illness), so it makes no sense to accept anyone of any race into white countries just because they can speak the language, sing along with the national athem and refrain from committing crime.

I'm both an ethno-nationalist for my own ethnic group and country as well as a racial nationalist for my own race (white), like most people on this sub are, so non-white immigration is where I draw the line. You obviously don't go around telling black nationalists that if Ghanans allow a Nigerian to immigrate to Ghana, this would somehow morally oblige the Ghanans to also allow whites or Asians to immigrate to Ghana as long as they assimilate into Ghanan society, you and your ilk only say shit like this to white people because you're just anti-white.

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What do you think about Africa's diversity? For example the massive difference between West and East African. Do you consider African to be one race?

If you agree that white Caucasians (Xanthochroi/Europeans), non-white Caucasians (Melanochroi/MENA), East Asian Monoloids (Japanese, Chinese, Koreans, Tibetans, Mongolians, etc.), Amerindian Mongoloids, Inuits and Australoids (Australian Aboriginals and Dravidians) are all distinct races from each other, it would only logically follow that sub-Saharan Africans technically aren't one race (often lumped together as Negroids or black people, since depsite their vast genetic diversity they're phenotypically very similar anyways), but at the very least four races (Negroids/Congoids/West-Africans, Capoids, Pygmies and East-Africans) and pehaps even dozens of races.

This question was clearly meant to be a "gotcha", but it doesn't work on us, since most of us already acknowledge that sub-Saharan Africans are way too broad and genetically diverse to be considered one race. I would love there to be done more genetic research into exactly how many races sub-Saharan Africans have to be broken down to if you follow my earlier mentioned conventional racial classification system of non-Africans to its logical conclusion, but in the end it doesn't really matter whether there's only one race or a million races in Africa, what's very clear is that sub-Saharan Africans are as racially different from whites as it gets (one could argue they're even a different subspecies, especially since Caucasians and Mongoloids have ~2% Neanderthal admixture which sub-Saharan Africans lack whereas sub-Saharan Africans uniquely have up to 20% Homo Erectus admixture).

Is Indian one race? What race are people in Afghanistan?

South Asians are obviously a hybrid of Caucasians (part of which ancient Indo-Europeans, racially white) and Dravidians (racially Australoid). One could argue that being a mixed-race people makes South Asians an entirely new race of its own. South Asians aren't homogeneously mixed, but rather have varying proportions of Caucasian and Australoid admixture, with the nortwest and higher castes being more Caucasian (and thus lighter skinned) and the southeast and lower castes being more Dravidian (and thus darker skinned).

What race are people in Indonesia? What about in the Philippines?

I don't know much about Indonesia (or Southeast Asia in general), but far as I know, Indonesians are a hyrbid of Caucasians, Mongoloids and possibly Negritos. I know even less about the Philippines, but you can very clearly tell by looking at Filipinos that they at least have a large Mongoloid component.

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If an Alt Right regime, say took over the UK, what would your general policy towards the non white populace who have lived there their whole lives? Would the regime seek mass deportations or would they show leniency? What would your policy be?

If it was up to me, no, non-whites already living in white countries wouldn't get deported, unless they're hostile to white people or commit crimes. Instead, I would implement a eugenics program that prohibits anyone with a low IQ, mental illness or other genetic defects from reproducing (which alone should already solve part of the problem of non-white populations living in white countries, since non-whites would be disportionately affected) and rewards the highest genetic quality people for having more children, I would implement a program that additionally rewards only white people for having more children to boost the white birthrate, and I if there were any non-white groups with problematically high birthrates I would impose additional restrictions on the amount of children they can have.

[–]SoylentCapitalist 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

whereas sub-Saharan Africans uniquely have up to 20% Homo Erectus admixture

Studies find 2% to 19% so it's probably more like ~10.5% admixture on average. The archaic human hasn't been identified either.

http://www.sci-news.com/genetics/west-africans-dna-archaic-hominin-08123.html

[–]YORAMRWWhite nationalist, eugenicist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The archaic human hasn't been identified either.

https://archive.is/yKVnL

Homo Erectus confirmed.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

A cousin moving into your home is different then a stranger.

What do you think about Africa's diversity? For example the massive difference between West and East African. Do you consider African to be one race? Is Indian one race? What race are people in Afghanistan? What race are people in Indonesia? What about in the Philippines?

There are clear answers to all these questions. What is your point?

If an Alt Right regime, say took over the UK, what would your general policy towards the non white populace who have lived there their whole lives?

Soft ethnic cleansing for most.* Hard assimilation for some. Clear cut rules for both and everyone in between. Depends on what you mean by 'whole lives'.

*soft ethnic cleansing looks like denying special benefits, breaking up no go zones, profiling/investigating/prosecuting when necessary, eliminating chain immigration, taxing remittance payments, applying the laws fairly, deportation instead of prison, rules around marrying natives, elimination of suffrage, payments to self deport.

Would the regime seek mass deportations or would they show leniency?

I would not seek mass deportation. It would be used as an excuse for leftists to commit a lot of violence. It would be expensive and time consuming. Soft cleansing is a lot easier if done right can be a fiscal benefit.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

What makes someone Polish?

Poland is in Europe.

If a White French person migrated to Poland, would they be able to become Polish?

To the naked eye, they're indistinguishable. Ethnically speaking? He's still a French person.

If they can, why can't a Turkish person who's lived in Poland their whole life,mastered the language,loves and engages with the culture and history etc?

Turkey is outside of Europe.

What do you think about Africa's diversity?

It sucks.

Do you consider African to be one race?

They're Black so yes.

Is Indian one race?

Yes.

What race are people in Afghanistan?

Asians

What race are people in Indonesia?

Asians

What about in the Philippines?

Asians

If an Alt Right regime, say took over the UK, what would your general policy towards the non white populace who have lived there their whole lives?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKp70tBqUXc

But seriously, why would a non-white live under an Alt-right government? They can just return to their original homelands and we all live in peace.

[–]Fitter_HappierWhite Nationalist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

You're merely playing semantics to avoid having to admit that Africans are so genetically distant, a subspecies if you will, of humans, so far from Europeans and Asians, that they will NEVER fit in here and don't belong here. They were brought here as beasts of burden, and they haven't changed that much. They are incapable of living among higher IQ peoples. We will NEVER get rid of Black crime and other monkeyshine. Admit it. Stop worrying about French and Polish who are so genetically close you couldn't tell the difference most of the time.

[–]SoylentCapitalist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

They were brought here as beasts of burden, and they haven't changed that much.

They have changed quite a lot actually. African-Americans have a higher average IQ than Morocco, Iran, Saudi Arabia, and numerous other MENA countries.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/average-iq-by-country

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They are also 25% white

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

African-Americans have a higher average IQ than Morocco, Iran, Saudi Arabia, and numerous other MENA countries.

That's mostly because of those countries' massive inbreeding.

[–]Fitter_HappierWhite Nationalist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Because of breeding with Whites.

[–]Rakean93Identitarian socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

As others, like notably markimus, said, "race" is above everything else about phenotypes and the ability to fit in a context. You can't, 99% of the times, tell apart an European from another. You can definitely tell apart an Asian or an African from an European.

Since we are not blind, the ability to recognise ourselves in the people of the nation is one of the main points of the concept of "ethnicity", the others beeing shared culture, language, and so on. That's not necessarily the "alt right take on the race" since I can hear a lot of nonsense about genetic and IQ, but that's for sure my take.

[–]proc0 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

I don't think it's an ideology. It's just facts that people are different based on lineage + culture. Exceptions exist, it's probably some kind of bell curve, where the majority of people will fit the general stereotypes.

I think that nations, races and cultures used to be more aligned because travel was slow not even two hundred years ago. Once travel and immigration exploded thanks to airplanes, nations were less and less aligned with their original cultures and races. We're seeing the outcome of this now, however it's only happening in the West. China, Japan, and many other countries, can discriminate and be racist with impunity, even though places like the UK, white people are the native people of the land.

If an Alt Right regime, say took over the UK, what would your general policy towards the non white populace who have lived there their whole lives?

No idea how to solve this anymore. I think eventually everyone would mix, but the way it has happened has been very quickly over two or three generations, and over the past decade it has been clearly a political effort to do so. IMHO, the way is forward, and we should force ALL countries to allow ALL immigrants and to provide them with equal rights, this includes China, Japan, India, Israel. If we saw ALL countries do this, it would alleviate what is happening in the West. However we can clearly see China has done the opposite, and they are going for racist supremacy, while leftists in the West applaud them because they want some of that market. To me, it's the double standards that is making all of this much worse.

[–]VraiBleuScots Protestant, Ulster Loyalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

IMHO, the way is forward, and we should force ALL countries to allow ALL immigrants and to provide them with equal rights

Wtf why…?

[–]proc0 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

My thinking is that immigrants will have more options. If China was just as welcoming and allowed for diasporas of immigrants, not to mention allowing politicians and authorities to also be immigrants (like in the US, or the UK), then perhaps more people would see those as options. What other alternative is there? We can't possibly re-segregate without another world war, and at the point we will all lose. At least let's eliminate the double standard, and it will make it more manageable, and maybe then implement some long-term cultural integration of some kind.

[–]DisastrousDepth14Race comes first 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

If there is war, then so be it. Better to fight than to do nothing. Europeans have the right to retain their nations and the fact that there will be war when the natives claim their birthright proves that we were right all along. Also, no, everyone would not mix. The nationalists will make sure of that. With all due respect, your idea of "forcing" nations to accept foreigners is no different from the genocidal left. Once we kick them out, our demographics percentage will return to normal. We have no obligations to let outsiders live in our nations.

[–]proc0 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

your idea of "forcing" nations to accept foreigners is no different from the genocidal left

It is different, because it means many other countries would now have to deal with this problem as well. Granted, I think it can't be forced. I was just thinking of one potential, peaceful solution, but it would require these countries to do it voluntarily. So China, Russia, Saudi Arabia would implement policies to allow and welcome foreigners, just like it's done in the West.

Of course, won't hold my breath on this one, but I also think war will only make things worse, because of technological advancements in warfare, which would destroy life as we know it. In other words, it might as well be the end of the world, black pill scenario, which isn't really solving anything.

[–]thefirststoneThat's my purse! I don't know you! 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What would your policy be?

I am not after world domination, so why should I care?

If it requires world domination to achieve white nations, then the other nations don't deserve to exist.

[–]raven9 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There is a big difference between what makes someone culturally Polish and what makes someone a Polish national. Only someone with a Polish ancestry is culturally Polish.