How exactly does Israel keep its birth rate up?

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[–][deleted] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Religious Jews like Orthodox Jews carry their birth rate. The easiest why to raise your birth rate is to have a culture and religion that promotes young couples and the birthing of many children.

Religious Sect Average No. of Children per Woman

Ultra-Orthodox 6.72

Modern Orthodox 3.39

Conservative 1.74

Reform 1.36

Secular 1.29

https://www.jewishpolicycenter.org/2013/02/28/israel-demographic-miracle/

[–]Tarrock 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

How do African countries keep their birth rates up?

Same answer, United States Foreign aid.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

They mostly live outside of modernity. They are agricultural and sometimes even pre agricultural societies with no conception of family planning or contraception. They have an average IQ of 70 and are essentially similar to animals. They fuck and pop out niglets. They follow their instincts, little different than a pig or a cow.

They have always bred like this. The reason their numbers didn't grow in the past is because they lacked the food, medicine or sanitation to sustain a large population or prevent diseases. European introduction of civilization to Africa has enabled the population explosion.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

21% of Israel's population consists of Arabs. They have a TFR of 3. A futher 12.6% of Israel is composed of Haredi Jews. They have a TFR of 7. Factor those in and Israel's fertility rate is no longer so extraordinary. Plus, 30-35% of Israel is composed of Mizrahim Jews. They are not European like Ashkenazi and have semitic features and IQ. Low Iq people tend to have a high birth rate.

A lot of people don't realize this but Israel is only about 35-40% Ashkenazi, i.e European Jews. They have an IQ of about 103 and hold up the Jewish state. That's why Israel is so developed despite having an average iq of 94. Its held up by a large smart fraction.

I don't know if there's data for non-haredi ashkenazi Jews, but their fertility trends should be no different than Russian Jews in Israel. Their TFR is 1.5

[–]WorldSharp 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

A lot of people don't realize this but Israel is only about 35-40% Ashkenazi, i.e European Jews. They have an IQ of about 103 and hold up the Jewish state. That's why Israel is so developed despite having an average iq of 94. Its held up by a large smart fraction.

Are....are they white?

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No. They have some biological white admixture but they're not part of the Culture-State-Nation-People-Race of Europe. Their psychology and language is wholly separate from the European one which is why they have never assimilated and never can assimilate.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They are on average about 60% white. They are essentially a hybrid of european and middle eastern people. Regardless, they have bred within themselves for millennia and have essentially become a different race altogether.

The Jewish identity does have a racial element but at its heart its an identity. A tribal identity, shaped by a religion, history and shared view of the word.

[–]SoylentCapitalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

They have an IQ of about 103

Ashkenazi IQ is more like 110. Why do you think the ones in Israel have less?

[–]shilldetector 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Because the 110 number was never representative of their global population. It was taken from a small wealthy subset. The Israeli number is probably more accurate and taken from a larger sample size.

[–]SoylentCapitalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

https://saidit.net/s/debatealtright/comments/57yq/an_analysis_of_jewish_iq_and_overrepresentation/

TL;DR – The average Ashkenazi IQ is about 110, almost certainly 107-112.

[–]shilldetector 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Your TLDR over simplifies what the post said, nor does it really dispute what I said, and while it seems like a decent enough assessment of the subject by someone who has consistently good takes on many things, it in no way would lead me to conclude that the average is "amost certainly 107-112". Nor does it really matter much. IQ tests are kind of limited. Two people could score 125 and one could fail to get a degree in Engineering school miserably no matter how hard they tried while the other does it with little effort, so equal scores does not mean equal intelligence or cognitive abilities.

[–]SoylentCapitalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Your TLDR over simplifies what the post said

That was directly copy and pasted from his TLDR, read the bottom.

Two people could score 125 and one could fail to get a degree in Engineering school miserably no matter how hard they tried while the other does it with little effort, so equal scores does not mean equal intelligence or cognitive abilities.

Sure, that's why I've researched things like conscientiousness in the past but we're simply discussing their IQ.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

https://thuletide.wordpress.com/2020/12/20/ashkenazi-iq-as-high-as-they-claim/

IQ tests of Israeli military recruits show that Ashkenazi have an IQ of 103.

[–]WorldSharp 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Orthodox Jews. The liberal Jews buy into their own propaganda and don't have that many kids. It's the same with Jews in the US--liberal ones intermarry often and have low birthrates, Orthodox Jews marry exclusively Jewish and reproduce often.

Traditionalist religions just might end up saving white America. Mormonism is overwhelmingly white and conservative and has a TFR of 3.4 (not to mention eugenic birthrates that select for IQ). With the Amish it's something crazy like 6-7 kids per family.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Mormonism is overwhelmingly white and conservative and has a TFR of 3.4 (not to mention eugenic birthrates that select for IQ).

And yet they're total cucks.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's because those factors are gayops to distract you. It's the same way they say there is not sexual revolution that makes people gay, instead people are just naturally more able to come out of the closet now and we were always surrounded by paedophilia, trannies, gays etc.

No, there isn't some secret demand that the market didn't reach yet. Demand is created by the market through propaganda/marketing.

It's the exact same with this, people don't have kids because of the ideas that are reaching them. After they have this programming in their mind they then go on to either have children, or get contraceptives. It's all about propaganda and incentive structures.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

To be honest, compared to their neighbors, it's not that unusual.

Turkey, Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia and even Palestine all have birth rates of 2 or 3 babies per woman.

All these countries are deeply religious.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Israel is far richer than those countries, and it has a higher rate of female workers. It's also a very secularized society compared to the rest.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Disagree with the last part.

They don't eat pork, businesses are closed on a Saturday, the army has their own "chief rabbi" unit, Settlers invade and colonize Palestinian land in the name of their god.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

65% of their population is irreligious or outright atheist: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/04/14/map-these-are-the-worlds-least-religious-countries/

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Judaism was never about theism though, they worship their blood. The real jew is a race-soldier and almost every single jew down to the man is, Judaism as a religion is only for the most intellectual and dedicated to study jews. Their culture, even amongst the libtarded ones, is still extreme blood loyalty.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Whites can learn a lot from that.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So it seems

So it seems

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Their culture, even amongst the libtarded ones, is still extreme blood loyalty.

60% of US Jews marry non Jews. Its not proper to call them race soldiers. Jewry at its core is an identity. They are a tribe. There is a racial core to it but you can enter into it through marriage and assimilation. Its a common sense of history, imaginary and real oppression and a view of the world. Their identity at its core is its claim to be the successors of Abraham and the biblical nation of Judea and Israel.