Secession is inevitable - Part 2

submitted by DragonerneJesus is white from (self.debatealtright)

If you missed this great post https://saidit.net/s/debatealtright/comments/868j/secession_is_not_just_possible_it_is_inevitable/ by /u/cisheteroscum then I suggest you read it. Also many of the comments are worth reading.

If we wanted to take over a state, it seems almost easy to do if we picked one of the smallest states by population, because they only have around 0.5-1.5 million people living there, most of them have 80%+ white populations too.

Some links to some of the smallest states:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wyoming#Birth_data
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vermont#Politics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Dakota#Race_and_ethnicity
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Dakota#Demographics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delaware#Birth_data
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhode_Island#Birth_data
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montana#Birth_data
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maine#Shipbuilding
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Hampshire

What would be the pros and cons of these states? Is there a clear winner? What if we had to pick 3-5 of these states? I think it would be entirely possible to take over a few of these states with our numbers. It might take 10-15 years to get everyone to move there, but it will be increasingly attractive to move to one of our states, so the incentive will be there.

If we are say 10-15 million in the US, then we outnumber the 10 smallest states if we simply concentrate our numbers.

What would be pros and cons of these states and if you had to pick 1-3, which ones would you pick?

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[–]Nombre27 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

You need ports. Landlocked countries are subject to the whims of their neighbours.

[–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Plan I showed was hopeful to cut a path through Oregon - but you don't "need" ports (e.g. Switzerland). If Cascadia wants to charge us tariffs then whatever, we can negotiate - but the main point of that vid is that secession is practically possible, not that this.particular plan was desirable in absolutely every way

[–]Nombre27 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Good point, although I think Switzerland seems to be an exception. Afaik, they're surrounded by neighbours that aren't hostile to them and don't impede their activities. I don't think current neighbours of a White ethnostate would be so kind, hence my reasoning.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I think you should not limit yourself by thinking of secession as full states. You can also think of potential counties that can secede as well. Many states have areas that are mostly White. This will help us get access to land on the western coast to build ports. Northern California is mostly White and parts of Oregon and Washington are mostly White.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Very good point.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

u/Socks made a really good point in the last thread:

Any state or group of states that manage to secede (if the Supreme Court allows it) will be at an economic disadvantage to the other states, because the other states will have all of the economic leverage for goods and services that the minority states will want.

We move 70% of goods by truck in the US that would no longer be flowing in and out of that former state most likely. Rail lines and air traffic would probably be contentious too. Forget about the post office, telephone, internet...

Assuming the Federal Govt would allow succession to happen in the first place. Which is highly unlikely.

[–]Node 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

It would probably need to begin with a nuke on Washington while all the rats are in attendance.

[–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The economic arguments against the Ethnostate always seem to imply we could never assign a monetary value to independence. How much of my real income to I have to give up to get the Ethnostate? 25%? 50%? Either way that's reasonable (for me) if it comes to that

We move 70% of goods by truck in the US that would no longer be flowing in and out of that former state most likely.

I don't think an economic embargo is that likely. Almost all corporations today are multinational (and multistate). Ideally, when the US breaks up, it will simultaneously break up into several successor states (say, 10) who will have a mutual interest in not engaging in trade wars, etc. In any case we can assume that there will some economic and political drawbacks (at first anyways) - but, these are acceptable (within reason) assuming the main goal is achieved

Assuming the Federal Govt would allow succession to happen in the first place.

The Federal government is made up of the states though. And if West Coast liberals and southern republican all want to secede, why are they going to fight eachother? The military (for now) is also largely made up of conservative whites. Who will probably not fight white breakaway state, and many would defect.

This is all worth its own post tho

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

seem to imply we could never assign a monetary value to independence. How much of my real income to I have to give up to get the Ethnostate? 25%? 50%? Either way that's reasonable (for me) if it comes to that

Less money is one thing, but it would be like being an average black person living in South Africa. Charge your phone from the communal car battery kind of situation. You wouldn't have access to your same standard of living.

I don't think an economic embargo is that likely

It would cost them nothing to cut you off for no other reason than to punish what they perceive as insolence.

The military (for now) is also largely made up of conservative whites.

The rank and file is mostly minorities. It's a path to citizenship.

[–]lokke767 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Top three are in my view Idaho, Montana and Wyoming - high dissident population already, few Jews, huge territory, stunning nature, less urbanized.

Next I'd say NH and Maine - they are basically swing states now and even a small influx could have tremendous political influence both on the local and on the federal level. All the dissident right has to do is take over the Republican side of the spectrum, you probably need less than 20% of the population to do that. A dedicated minority of 10-15% white nationalists would radically change local culture and winning republican primaries would be easy.

I'd exclude Delaware and also Rhode Island from the list - too many blacks (Delaware) and Jews (Rhode Island) and also too small territories with a high rate of urbanization.

[–]ShalomEveryone✡️ 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Secession wont be happening anytime soon. Welfare red states are dependent on liberal states like California and New York to fill their coffers with tax money generated by California and New York. The federal government wont allow any states to secede from the union or have its residents act like the federal government has no jurisdiction over their state. The idea of secession comes off as a Turner Diaries fantasy.

If we wanted to take over a state, it seems almost easy to do if we picked one of the smallest states by population, because they only have around 0.5-1.5 million people living there, most of them have 80%+ white populations too.

What will that small white population do when the United States military makes an appearance to quell secession? Revolutionaries wont be able to take on a tank, they wont be able to take on Black Hawk helicopters, fighter jets and soldiers who are trained killers? Where will the secessionists get their heavy weapons of war from? Robbing armories?

What would be the pros and cons of these states?

There are no pros because it wont be happening. The United States Government will send in the armed forces to put an end to secession attempts. It will be extremely easy for the military to create a blockade before taking down the secessionists.

Is there a clear winner?

Yes, the federal government.

I think it would be entirely possible to take over a few of these states with our numbers.

How is it possible? Residents of those states wont be able to successfully fight back against the military. Where are secessionists going to get their heavy weapons of war? From Canada? Russia? China? Iran? Ukraine?

Those trying to secede will just end up experiencing the same fate those at Ruby Ridge and Waco Texas experienced.

Shalom

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[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

What will that small white population do when the United States military makes an appearance to quell secession?

The more important question: What will that military look like?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Cornelius, Zira, Dr. Zaius, Honorious, Maximus, Lucius, Dr Galen, and the others?

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Zira

You leave Dr. Zira out of this.

[–]EuropeanAwakening14 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Look, it's the Jewish supremacist zionist here to tell White people they can't have their own ethnostate. Only Jews should have that.