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[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Scientists and physicians are making the right choice to save millions of lives, instead of dragging humanity through 10 years of unnecessary suffering, due to the advances in medical technology.

It would be odd to suggest they are somehow working on the complete inverse when the entire medical community, GLOBALLY, are devoting the most amount of money towards these vaccines, than we have seen in the past.

And the results are a big success. For the last 7 months, billions of doses have been already been administered, yet we have 0 photos of morgues that show vaccinated residents being piled up in a ditch. By the end of 2021, I'm willing to bet we still wont see such photos. 2022 and 2023, if nothing apocalyptic still happens when 50% of the Earth is vaccinated, it's just a waste of time to deny that the medicine actually failed to kill or harm people in mass, like the actual Covid virus has done.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

In the scenario that a truly deadly virus was on the rampage then the people that were smart enough to take the risk on the new vax tech will be able to inherit the land and resources of those that were too stupid to take it. You also get a eugenic effect of only the 'smart' ones survive. There's no need to mandate it and the government will not stand for very long if it does mandate it.

No government or private entity should have the power to force you into a medical treatment or procedure. Especially one that is experimental. This is just common sense. I'm sure if this was a fascist government and the procedure was to sterilize the mentally retarded you'd probably scream 'evil government!' It's a clear cut act of extreme aggression and hostility on the citizens to force, compel or coerce needles into peoples arms. Wars are fought over this type of government tyranny.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The context is very different though.

Like it or not, but Bill Gates was right in his 2015 speech that Humanity wasn't prepared for the next global disease. Governments worldwide have a responsibility to look after their citizens, and not taking the same proactive measures like China and other Asian countries did when faced with previous diseases like SARS or Pig Flu is a recipe for disaster. Like, even the concept of mask wearing was never shunned in those regions, and it's considered common courtesy to tell people you are sick instead of hiding it or showing up to work ill.

The West can't keep pushing this hyper individualism nonsense where no one is allowed to see the consequences of their action. Especially in life or death work environments like Hospitals and Long Term Homes, a rogue Doctor or Nurse who fails to guarantee the safety of their co-workers and patients just isn't fit to be in those places. Restricting them is not a violation of their freedom, because their selfishness to not vaccinate or self isolate will cost the lives and jobs of all those around them. Now apply this logic to the rest of society. Someone tries to attend a Concert but is unvaxxed, why are they there in the first place? They still have the freedom to watch the show in their own home or spectate from a distance, but putting them in a crowd with thousands of other people is just asking for trouble.

Immunization records are already a thing at public schools, so this was the next natural step up from that. There's a whole list of diseases I can read to you right now that can get a child suspended from school but I've never seen protests against this requirement.

https://www.toronto.ca/community-people/health-wellness-care/health-programs-advice/immunization/get-immunized-children-youth/report-student-immunization/

Ontario’s Immunization of School Pupils Act (ISPA) requires parents of children attending elementary and secondary school provide their local health unit with proof of their child’s immunization against the following designate diseases: measles mumps rubella diphtheria tetanus polio meningococcal whooping cough (pertussis) chickenpox (only applies to kids born on or after 2010) All the vaccines needed for school are free. Make an appointment with your healthcare provider if your child needs any of the above vaccines.Note: It is the parent’s responsibility to update their child’s immunization record or provide a valid exemption form to Toronto Public Health. For parents who choose not to have their child vaccinated for medical, religious or philosophical reasons, please call us.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

There's a whole list of diseases I can read to you right now that can get a child suspended from school but I've never seen protests against this requirement.

Those vaccines have gone through long term trials. There are also alternatives if you don't want your child vaxxed. There are schools that allow exemptions there are private schools that don't require shot records and there is home schooling. These same liberals that scream about conservatives not taking the vaxx have been allowing immigrants to get exemptions for child vaccinations in schools and many have spaced out or not gotten their own children vaccinated. Hypocrisy of the highest order.

Bottom line: polio and mumps vaccines are not the same thing as an experimental gene therapy that skipped long term trials.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Polio has killed far less people worldwide than Covid has...

There are schools that allow exemptions there are private schools that don't require shot records and there is home schooling.

Then the answer is to send these kids to a private school or homeschool them so the general public doesn't have to worry about being infected by them.

These same liberals that scream about conservatives not taking the vaxx have been allowing immigrants to get exemptions for child vaccinations in schools

That's terrible and I believe such immigrants shouldn't even be allowed to land in a new country in the first place.

Those vaccines have gone through long term trials.

Ironically, as time progresses, Covid vaccines are 99% going to join the same list because the results are in front of us. Non-vaxxers are basically gambling on the idea that this medicine is suppose to be useless or dangerous, even though as I pointed out, entire cities are reaching the double dose mark by the end of the year yet morgues remain quiet.

But I prefer the compromise you mentioned earlier. Non-vaxxed kids can absolutely get educated, but not through public tax dollars but by homeschooling or a private institution. They can watch for 10 years and somehow try and prove the entire world wrong there's a zombie apocalypse on the horizon.