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[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Well, there is no reason to take the vaccine unless you are at risk of coof anyway.

For risk groups it can be worth it.

Anyone who demands for 100% vacinations and vaccine passports are fully retarded.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

We have immunization records for children who go to school. Yet I never heard any uproar about denying some kid carrying Ebola from attending class.

I want Covid gone the same way we got rid of Polio in the past, so it's the exact opposite of retarded. Diseases will always be the bane of humanity.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Coof is not like ebola. It's like the flu.

It will no be gone, It is likely to become endemic, if it hasn't already. Respiratory as it is.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

No one in Healthcare should be allowed in unless they're vaccinated.

I'm already seeing moronic Nurses putting their entire building at risk because they fought against wearing masks and getting vaccines in what is suppose to be a safe work environment. They have to be kicked out if they think this pandemic is a joke.

Coof is not like ebola. It's like the flu.

No, Covid causes long term problems, ranging from mental issues to outright requiring lung transplants. All of this is a drain on taxes and the healthcare system. We don't need to afford anymore of this selfishness for refusing to be vaccinated.

See this man for example who admits he's going to keep going to hospital everytime he catches the virus. It's a burden I wont support.

https://twitter.com/Soylent_Lament/status/1418249581616254976

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I don't think I am on risk so I don't take the vaccine.

That man is >50 and obese. I am 27 years old and not obese. I have ZERO risk.

Coof has almost zero risk outside the risk groups anyway, And among most pople they don't even know it unless they test for it. It is so harmless.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

When you carry the disease, you become a risk to not just yourself but everyone else.

Covid never once swam through the oceans, or grew wings and flew high into sky. Every single case came from infected passengers last year who refused quarantine the minute they got off the airport. This is indisputable fact, and provides no grounds for why millions had to perish or end up hospitalized when the solution was to isolate the first spreaders right away.

China, at the start of this pandemic, never ignored the situation. As I explained to another user, their first response was to shutdown Wuhan and build life saving field hospitals immediately to staff victims. Every single country on Earth were given a crash course on this yet there were seriously arrogant heads of state and charlatans who sought to do absolutely nothing when we first heard about the virus. This mistake can't be repeated again in the future.

It's kinda sad why I have to keep explaining this. It's the job of health professionals to literally save lives and keep the community safe. They're not telling people to get vaccinated out of some weird conspiracy to kill everyone, or else, they could just get a gun and do it manually. They want to minimize the chance of death and infections and that requires following certain actions.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

China allowed people with coof to fly abroad while quaranteing rest of people. So they allowed it to spread. Now they claim coof has been eradicated.

Coof is endemic anyway, Risk groups should get he vaccine (and they've gotten it) and restrictions should stay lifted. The disease is now over.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

China allowed people with coof to fly abroad while quaranteing rest of people. So they allowed it to spread. Now they claim coof has been eradicated.

And China were dicks for doing that, but every other country as well should have imposed their own flight ban on China as well. We had 9/11 as the first real world example that stopping air travel everywhere can be achieved in mere minutes after a disaster is found.

Almost 20 years later, very few nations used the exact same emergency measure when it was desperately needed, which is an utter travesty.

Coof is endemic anyway, Risk groups should get he vaccine (and they've gotten it) and restrictions should stay lifted. The disease is now over.

Until it mutates or we get a virus that is even worse than the original. In which case, the restrictions will come back.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

And China were dicks for doing that, but every other country as well should have imposed their own flight ban on China as well. We had 9/11 as the first real world example that stopping air travel everywhere can be achieved in mere minutes after a disaster is found.

Almost 20 years later, very few nations used the exact same emergency measure when it was desperately needed, which is an utter travesty.

I agree, they should've. And Trump did, which the opposition denouncd as "racist".

Until it mutates or we get a virus that is even worse than the original. In which case, the restrictions will come back.

I doubt it. Viruses usually tend to become less lethal. New variants have not become extremely lethal yet.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I agree, they should've. And Trump did, which the opposition denouncd as "racist".

Trump needed to do much more than just worry about being called "racist". He was still President, with an expectation that American lives should matter first.

I doubt it. Viruses usually tend to become less lethal. New variants have not become extremely lethal yet.

India has variants going around right now. Coincidently, the same time they did lift restrictions prematurely and ruined their nation.

It's an unnecessary burden to put people at risk when it should be eliminated entirely now that the technology is here. Hospitals, Long Term Homes, Schools, Food Factories, Public Transit are all considered essential and yet any outbreak or disease transmission puts everyone in danger in those buildings. If someone wants to enter those facilities but aren't vaccinated, they just do not belong there at all.

The same can later be said about Concerts, Movie Theatres, Grocery Stores and other places that have huge social gatherings but can transform into a petri dish quickly. No risk is better than any.

[–]TheJamesRocket 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

according to medical claims submitted to the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) there are “at least 45,000” vaccine-related deaths due to experimental COVID-19 vaccine injections.

This is a really incredible number when put into context. According to official stats (which are almost certainly inflated), over 620,000 people in the U.S. have died from the coronavirus over a time period of 16 months. Now compare that to at least 45,000 deaths from the vaccine in a time period of 6 months. [] This shows that the coronavirus vaccine is not only completely unsafe, but in fact is insanely dangerous. In the past, vaccines have been suspended for causing only dozens of deaths. The fact that these vaccines have caused tens of thousands of deaths and have not been suspended shows that there is a sinister agenda at work.

[] Of course, it must be kept in mind that the vaccines spread among the people much quicker than the coronavirus did. 48% of the U.S. population has been vaccinated, while 10.8% have been infected by the virus. (The true number is probably higher, because many people were infected without getting sick, and thus were not counted) If the virus had infected 48% of the U.S. population, then the death toll would be somewhat greater.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (44 children)

It’s also notable, the motion continued, “that in the 1976 Swine Flu vaccine campaign (in which 25% of the U.S. population at that time, 55 million Americans, were vaccinated), the Swine Flu vaccine was deemed dangerous and unsafe, and removed from the market, even though the vaccine resulted in only 53 deaths.”

If 25% of the American population hasn't dropped dead in the last 45 years from the Swine Flu vaccines, I'm not sure what kind of message are they sending? It's dangerous because the government made most people live at the end of the day, and not die?

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (28 children)

Stop shilling for the vaccine already

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (27 children)

I saw another user bring up the other day that anti-vaccinations are a psyop or disinformation campaign, and everyday I'm starting to think it's true.

When America, and America's enemies alike are all in a race to immunize their own population, I'm not sure how any of this is suppose to provide cover for a global conspiracy. You would think Putin or Xi would just airdrop a whole bunch of needles over Washington D.C if conquering a nation is that easy. Yet, we see them investing more in the third world instead. Does Putin consider Africa a bigger threat? Ridiculous.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (25 children)

I saw another user bring up the other day that anti-vaccinations are a psyop or disinformation campaign, and everyday I'm starting to think it's true.

My comments in this thread?

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (24 children)

If you were making the same arguments that the conspiracy theories contradict each other, then yeah, that was the post.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (23 children)

Lazy negro can't even skim a thread! But yeah I made multiple comments to that effect. I haven't seen a single 'anti-vax' comment that even made sense let alone seemed plausible.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (22 children)

They want you reliant on big pharma, they want to create a system where your freedoms are reliant on you being compliant with big pharma and so on.

The biggest power is controlling who lives and dies. Combine that with global control of who can move where and so on. Its not that complicated.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (21 children)

You realise there's no substance here right? You're just reeling off meaningless rhetorical points with nothing to substantiate them.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

I don't realize that

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

You guys have a lot of shills and general sowers of discord. Look at their post histories and watch their argument tactics.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I will teach you some stuff I learned when I was like 6 then.

Remember: who, what, where, why, when, how. These questions are important, you need to give relevant information when trying to inform and/or persuade.

Use the PEEL method to make good arguments.

Point - This is what you do.

Explanation - this is what you skip.

Evidence - this is what you skip.

Link back to the main point - this is what you skip.

Now you can start making serious arguments that have substance rather than just spouting out 'what's with nothing backing up what you're saying, which is extremely unpersuasive.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

What are your thoughts on Klaus Schwaub and great reset stuff? Have you followed any youtuber Computing Forever's videos? He digs down on some of the fine print from these think tank documents, executive orders, trade agreements, and EU documents.

How is it that vaccine pass control grid stuff is 'meaningless rhetoric'. Are you vaxxed? Do you realize that many countries are in the process of rolling out a vaccine passport? You won't be able to go to restaurants or events or fly or use rail or buses without a vax passport. How is that 'meaningless'. After they have vaccine passports there's nothing stopping them from requiring bi yearly or monthly 'booster' shot to have a 'current' vaccine passport? How is the government having the power to put a needle in your arm every 30 days 'meaningless' to you???

Are you also rejecting the death numbers in the affidavit from the whistleblower?

[–]TheJamesRocket 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Markimus is relying on bro science and dudebro logic. His worldview is incontrovertible and ironclad.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

But don't you realize there's no substance here?

Edit: do you have a link to a good video by Computer Forever that you can recommend?

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

1) Not read or watched these people

2) Meaningless in terms of he is just reeling off points with no backing. There's no explaining what he's talking about or backing up his points with decent reasoning or even a slight attempt to make it make intuitive/logical sense. It's just the typical comic book thinking you get from television watchers 'yes the people who rule are randomly evil for no reason, just like the nazis!'

I'm perfectly happy to accept kikes are doing usual kike shit if anyone would ever explain it instead of just schizoposting. But when I see kikes are the ones taking the vaccine first and getting it to their minions first and using anti-vax as a way to segregate the people they hate away from society the most obvious answer is the one that makes sense. They hate working class, rooted, people, there's no bioweapon or anything about it. They just don't want anything to do with ordinary people, only bugman urbanites. If this was the narrative everyone was going with I would be in agreeance with them 100% because it's obvious and consistent.

When I'm being told the vax is a dangerous weapon killing everyone and then I see they're pushing it to all the people the system loves and pushing anti-vax to all the people the system hates, wouldn't this just mean whoever is making the vaccines is /ourguy/ and we should be supporting it killing off the libtards and jews? These narratives make no sense.

The super high IQ /u/TheJamesRocket told me there's a secret group of elites that aren't jews that did this on purpose, I asked him who they were and he ghosted because he knew he was just schizoposting. This is the dumb shit I want nothing to do with.

Let's say we drop all the stupid schizo bullshit and agree that we oppose the new caste system; which actually has nothing to do with the vaccine, that's just a cover for it. Then what? Just go to little rallies held by kike shills like David Icke, Tommy Robinson, Katie Hopkins etc? What's the end goal?

Are you vaxxed?

No

Are you also rejecting the death numbers in the affidavit from the whistleblower?

No

[–]chadwickofwv 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I saw another user bring up the other day that anti-vaccinations are a psyop or disinformation campaign, and everyday I'm starting to think it's true

I see, you're beyond help.

[–]sylla94 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

vaccines =/= "vaccines"

not that i'd take either

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

So you're saying the 1976 vaccine served a completely different purpose? What was that? To scare people?

Sounds like it had the completely opposite effect if the government never actually got away with sterilizing the masses.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Obviously it was brought up as an example of a responsible government taking a dangerous vaccine off the market at the 56 death mark. They didn't bring up the incident to say the swine flu vaccine was a crypto sterilization or culling weapon.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Why authorize the vaccine at all if they knew it was deadly? If the government was working with the assumption it was going to save lives, then that's basically the exact same knowledge being used with current vaccinations and why it's not being pulled.

If it were some pre-meditated bioweapon, then we have an example that most people didn't die the last time they rolled it out to the majority population.

it was brought up as an example of a responsible government taking a dangerous vaccine off the market at the 56 death mark.

Even if we were to play into the "responsible government" idea, very little about U.S politics has changed all these years that makes politicians more trustworthy in the past.

Like hell, we had President Nixon lie a few years prior to keep the U.S in Vietnam. Or they were running the Tuskegee experiments on Black people up until 1972. But somehow, they drew a moral line with vaccines after already injecting 55 million people with it because...?

[–]aukofthecovenantWhite man with eyes 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

very little about U.S politics has changed all these years that makes politicians more trustworthy in the past.

There's a very relevant difference between trustworthy and trusted. One could argue that politicians of any time and place are never trustworthy, but that doesn't mean that people don't trust them anyway. The fact is that Americans trust their government at pretty much the lowest rate ever, which could just mean that they're wising up to what has always been true.

[–]Nombre27 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

This is why it's important to define terms.

Injections of mRNA or viral vectors/plasmids are nowhere near the same as traditional live-attenuated vaccines (typically inactivated pathogens). The utter failure of institutions to educate the public on this point is telling.

The supposed failure of these new mRNA/viral vector "vaccines" to adequately protect against new variants isn't surprising when you realize that using mRNA or a viral vector to generate a specific protein results in far less comprehensive immunological response (epitope identification) than using an entire pathogen. It also isn't surprising considering the clinical trials weren't even designed to measure immunity. One concern I have is what happens when a persons first encounter with a pathogen (foreign body) is produced in their own body, i.e. it has components that are both self and foreign. Seems like this would confuse a persons immune system as our bodies mark proteins that we produce with markers that identify them as self. Another way to describe autoimmune diseases would be immunological "confusion".

Pfizer touted a 95% efficacy. If you look more closely at how they reached that number, I think you'll be unconvinced. About 40000 person study, 20000 in vaccine group, 20000 in placebo group. Follow-up after treatment or placebo was left to the participants and whether they developed symptoms. 170 people tested positive covid. 162 in the placebo group, 8 in the vaccine group. 162/170*100% = ~95%. That's how they got the number. 170/40000 = ~0.5% of the total participants. Quite the extrapolation

What they leave out is how many people were even tested. Immune responses, e.g. antibodies and other markers, titers, length of time, how many people that tested positive were able to have virus cultivated from their samples (i.e. were these false positives from the shitty qPCR testing?), etc.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

So let's get something straight.

By the end of this year, there's going to be several cities on this planet where 90% or more of the citizens are completely double vaxxed.

By your logic, these cities will either be completely wiped out (going by the "killer vax" theory) or every vaccinated person is suppose to end up in the hospital because the medicine is a lie?

How much do you want to bet on either scenario's happening? We still have 5 months of 2021 left where and no apocalyptic vaccination event has been recorded anywhere.

[–]Nombre27 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

By your logic, these cities will either be completely wiped out (going by the "killer vax" theory) or every vaccinated person is suppose to end up in the hospital because the medicine is a lie?

That's not quite what I said. I'm saying that the long-term consequences of mRNA "vaccines" are not known and was describing what I believe to be a legitimate concern. Typically clinical trials of vaccines are 5 to 10 years in order to determine long-term consequences. These standards have been waved, so we don't know what the long-term consequences may be.

Have you heard of antibody-dependent immune enhancement?

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32908214/

The fact of the matter is that no one knows the long-term consequences of the mRNA "vaccines" that are being used.

I would appreciate you toning down the straw-man like hyperbole in the future.

Data from the study of SARS-CoV and other respiratory viruses suggest that anti-SARS-CoV-2 antibodies could exacerbate COVID-19 through antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE). Previous respiratory syncytial virus and dengue virus vaccine studies revealed human clinical safety risks related to ADE, resulting in failed vaccine trials. Here, we describe key ADE mechanisms and discuss mitigation strategies for SARS-CoV-2 vaccines and therapies in development.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

That's not quite what I said. I'm saying that the long-term consequences of mRNA "vaccines" are not known and was describing what I believe to be a legitimate concern. Typically clinical trials of vaccines are 5 to 10 years in order to determine long-term consequences. These standards have been waved, so we don't know what the long-term consequences may be.

Ok, so what do you have to say if in 5 to 10 years, the cities I mentioned do not have any long term consequences? What part of your prediction did you not take into account for something like this to be proven wrong?

The fact of the matter is that no one knows the long-term consequences of the mRNA "vaccines" that are being used.

mRNA research has been around since the 1980s. And ever since they were deployed with Covid, the research never stopped. In fact, it has been suggested there have been more test subjects involved in this trial, than ever before.

https://cihr-irsc.gc.ca/e/52424.html

[–]Nombre27 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Ok, so what do you have to say if in 5 to 10 years, the cities I mentioned do not have any long term consequences? What part of your prediction did you not take into account for something like this to be proven wrong?

We literally have to wait and see, which is what's supposed to happen in a normal clinical trial for vaccines. You need to correct your selective reading.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Scientists and physicians are making the right choice to save millions of lives, instead of dragging humanity through 10 years of unnecessary suffering, due to the advances in medical technology.

It would be odd to suggest they are somehow working on the complete inverse when the entire medical community, GLOBALLY, are devoting the most amount of money towards these vaccines, than we have seen in the past.

And the results are a big success. For the last 7 months, billions of doses have been already been administered, yet we have 0 photos of morgues that show vaccinated residents being piled up in a ditch. By the end of 2021, I'm willing to bet we still wont see such photos. 2022 and 2023, if nothing apocalyptic still happens when 50% of the Earth is vaccinated, it's just a waste of time to deny that the medicine actually failed to kill or harm people in mass, like the actual Covid virus has done.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

In the scenario that a truly deadly virus was on the rampage then the people that were smart enough to take the risk on the new vax tech will be able to inherit the land and resources of those that were too stupid to take it. You also get a eugenic effect of only the 'smart' ones survive. There's no need to mandate it and the government will not stand for very long if it does mandate it.

No government or private entity should have the power to force you into a medical treatment or procedure. Especially one that is experimental. This is just common sense. I'm sure if this was a fascist government and the procedure was to sterilize the mentally retarded you'd probably scream 'evil government!' It's a clear cut act of extreme aggression and hostility on the citizens to force, compel or coerce needles into peoples arms. Wars are fought over this type of government tyranny.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The context is very different though.

Like it or not, but Bill Gates was right in his 2015 speech that Humanity wasn't prepared for the next global disease. Governments worldwide have a responsibility to look after their citizens, and not taking the same proactive measures like China and other Asian countries did when faced with previous diseases like SARS or Pig Flu is a recipe for disaster. Like, even the concept of mask wearing was never shunned in those regions, and it's considered common courtesy to tell people you are sick instead of hiding it or showing up to work ill.

The West can't keep pushing this hyper individualism nonsense where no one is allowed to see the consequences of their action. Especially in life or death work environments like Hospitals and Long Term Homes, a rogue Doctor or Nurse who fails to guarantee the safety of their co-workers and patients just isn't fit to be in those places. Restricting them is not a violation of their freedom, because their selfishness to not vaccinate or self isolate will cost the lives and jobs of all those around them. Now apply this logic to the rest of society. Someone tries to attend a Concert but is unvaxxed, why are they there in the first place? They still have the freedom to watch the show in their own home or spectate from a distance, but putting them in a crowd with thousands of other people is just asking for trouble.

Immunization records are already a thing at public schools, so this was the next natural step up from that. There's a whole list of diseases I can read to you right now that can get a child suspended from school but I've never seen protests against this requirement.

https://www.toronto.ca/community-people/health-wellness-care/health-programs-advice/immunization/get-immunized-children-youth/report-student-immunization/

Ontario’s Immunization of School Pupils Act (ISPA) requires parents of children attending elementary and secondary school provide their local health unit with proof of their child’s immunization against the following designate diseases: measles mumps rubella diphtheria tetanus polio meningococcal whooping cough (pertussis) chickenpox (only applies to kids born on or after 2010) All the vaccines needed for school are free. Make an appointment with your healthcare provider if your child needs any of the above vaccines.Note: It is the parent’s responsibility to update their child’s immunization record or provide a valid exemption form to Toronto Public Health. For parents who choose not to have their child vaccinated for medical, religious or philosophical reasons, please call us.