47% of West Coast Dems, 66% of Southern Republicans Want to Secede From U.S.

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[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

So they can "do whatever they want", so long as they are children and what they want is to attend school to K-12?

[–]insta 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Yes, illegally brought over children has nothing to do with the emancipation of slaves.

You can agree that illegals children should go to school without bastardizing the 13th. Hence my first opinion, nobody gives a shit about the constitution; they just have their goals in mind and find post hoc rationalizations for it.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

The ruling in Plyer vs Doe was based on the 14th amendment.

“No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”

Because of the equal protection bit, and because children aren't guilty of their parent's illegal status.

That part of the 14th was written to stop states discriminating against Black Americans, but it's not the 13th.

[–]insta 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Yes, sorry 14th amendment I misspoke.

Again, I don't know what illegal children has to do with the emancipation of slaves and birthright citizenship. They basically said "Although this amendment applies to citizens, we'll make it apply to non-citizens because this is a political objective we'd like to achieve".

If you want illegal immigrant children to go to school, then write some legislation about it, don't fucking twist some amendment trying to address slavery to do that. Again, you have to separate what you might think about illegal immigrant children going to school and what the document actually says. Again, going back to my original point, this is why the constitution means fuck all.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The equal protection of the laws bit applies to "to any person within [the state's] jurisdiction."

[–]insta 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yeah, those people are called citizens. Tourists and illegals shouldn't be allowed to do whatever the fuck they want without contributing or being citizens.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, those people are called citizens

You're promoting green card holders to citizens?

What is they don't want citizenship?