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[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

The american people created a contract with the government. People submitted themselves VOLUNTARILY to be governed by a legal entity called the US government. That contract can be torn up at anytime if the people observe that the contract is not being held up. The constitution is really not being followed by the current elected officials.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

You're aware of Texas vs White (1869)?

The Constitution does not permit states to unilaterally secede from the United States.

[–]insta 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

Who cares about the constitution?

The 13th amendment has been twisted to mean "illegals can do whatever they want". Literally who cares what some document says. It's all power politics.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

Who cares about the constitution?

People who are predicting the break up of the USA in the 15 year time period.

Because they would have an idea of how, if the prediction is supposed to be taken seriously.

The 13th amendment has been twisted to mean "illegals can do whatever they want"

I'm not aware of that. Can you cite some of the cases that have done that?

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

People who are predicting the break up of the USA in the 15 year time period.

No, I don't care about the constitution at all. It's just a piece of paper.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

How do you think it will break up?

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I don't know. There are many scenarios that are possible.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What are a few of the most likely?

[–]insta 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Anyone who thinks there's gonna be a breakup in 15 years are gun-owning retards who think they're gonna survive the purge but everyone else won't. They're morons who think their closet full of guns is gonna save them. I am so tired of those people. No, it's just going to be a slow decay. The only thing that might spark some sort of clash is honest to god full blown reparations, and I'm talking something some serious white-only income tax reparations or something. Other than that no, it'll just be the slow decay.

I'm not aware of that. Can you cite some of the cases that have done that?

Start with Plyler v. Doe and go from there

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

So they can "do whatever they want", so long as they are children and what they want is to attend school to K-12?

[–]insta 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Yes, illegally brought over children has nothing to do with the emancipation of slaves.

You can agree that illegals children should go to school without bastardizing the 13th. Hence my first opinion, nobody gives a shit about the constitution; they just have their goals in mind and find post hoc rationalizations for it.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

The ruling in Plyer vs Doe was based on the 14th amendment.

“No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”

Because of the equal protection bit, and because children aren't guilty of their parent's illegal status.

That part of the 14th was written to stop states discriminating against Black Americans, but it's not the 13th.

[–]insta 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Yes, sorry 14th amendment I misspoke.

Again, I don't know what illegal children has to do with the emancipation of slaves and birthright citizenship. They basically said "Although this amendment applies to citizens, we'll make it apply to non-citizens because this is a political objective we'd like to achieve".

If you want illegal immigrant children to go to school, then write some legislation about it, don't fucking twist some amendment trying to address slavery to do that. Again, you have to separate what you might think about illegal immigrant children going to school and what the document actually says. Again, going back to my original point, this is why the constitution means fuck all.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The equal protection of the laws bit applies to "to any person within [the state's] jurisdiction."