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[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

They have access to opportunities now, but ancestors of US slaves had to go through quite a bit of hell and generations of time to get them. It's not like all those years ago they plopped over here off a ship and just started getting shit for free, man.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

It's not like all those years ago they plopped over here off a ship and just started getting shit for free, man.

But it was.

All the hard work of establishing a 1st world society was already built by European Settlers. Do you think if African slaves were dropped in the middle of an American forest, they would have came up with Democracy, roads, running water and electricity, two story buildings, farms, an army that uses muskets and cannons instead of spears, a public school system and police department?

Chances are, they would have starved. Whites gave them a place to live, and were forced to look after them.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

Are you proofreading your own replies? We didn't have running water during slave times, they had wells and poop troughs for outhouses.. My grandfather's in his mid 60's, white, and bathed in the creek as a child. The same creek they kept their butter cold with, because all of the glories of what we think of when we bring to mind the first world were not available like they are now.

I feel like you're possibly a bot, or just outright ignoring what I've said.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

So your grandad was born in the 1960s and was living in squalor? Sorry, but his experience doesn't explain indoor plumbing was actually around since the 1830s.

Maybe you're a bot or paid shill?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Oh lord. I didn't realize that you were retarded. I'm sorry, you carry on with your day. Try not to get hurt.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Say hi to Tel Aviv for me.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yep, says the pro experimental vaccination shill. Sure thing, darlin.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

My grandfather's in his mid 60's, white, and bathed in the creek as a child.

My father is older than that, grew up poor in a mining town without a mine, but had indoor plumbing and refrigeration. I don't want to argue, but that guy may have a point about your grandfather growing up in squalor.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

We're talking the sticks up in Appalachia, miles away bathtub moonshine neighbors and what not. They actually had a pretty decent sized farm, later installed proper plumbing and refrigeration. I don't remember what my point was by saying anything anymore, honestly. I gave up after dude fucked up simple math.

[–]EuropeanAwakening14 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

In other words, your grandfather was an outlier at the time?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Yes. My grandfather's family home and lifestyle growing up was not considered the norm. However, despite his situation being uncommon, I don't believe that it should be discounted because it proves that not even all white people were able to take advantage of everything on his list. There were still places that weren't privy to the modernities of most 1950s homes, and it's not necessarily because they weren't areas with industrious people.

His original comment:

Do you think if African slaves were dropped in the middle of an American forest, they would have came up with Democracy, roads, running water and electricity, two story buildings, farms, an army that uses muskets and cannons instead of spears, a public school system and police department?

Police departments, public education, electricity, and running water as we know it were not things to be taken advantage of during the era of slavery within the US. Muskets and cannons don't make for much appreciation when you're the cannon fodder. It doesn't matter if you're shitting in a bush or an outhouse if you're not sure if you'll even be able to eat from day to day to create said shit. They didn't come here for opportunity, they came here because they were made to, and weren't promised any of those things for themselves or their ancestors down the line. I would say they sort of paid for the opportunities they eventually got.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

They didn't come here for opportunity, they came here because they were made to, and weren't promised any of those things for themselves or their ancestors down the line.

You're missing the point. Those opportunities would not have came to them unless they were the lucky ones sent to the U.S.

Remember, the slave trade had never been outlawed by Africans, and it was even possible much worse fates existed for them had they actually stayed. For example, look at the slaves who ended up in Brazil, Jamaica or Haiti? Even when they now control the country, do you think they're prosperous? The answer is no, and in many cases, they don't even have the basic necessities I pointed out, existed in the U.S since the beginning.

Or look in actual Africa, where captured slaves who didn't get on the ships where just used for human sacrifice rituals. Getting their heads chopped off or even eaten. Had you told the Black slaves in America what life was like around the rest of the world, they would beg to not be sent back.

And vice versa exists too. Would you rather be a slave in the Congo, or a slave in New York City?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

When you live in a place that didn't have those "necessities" in the first place, you don't really know or understand what you're missing out on. We can say what we would have chosen, but we can't exactly ask them because they're long since toast. There's probably something to be said about having a chance to die in your own land among the people there, versus dying around an unfamiliar people treated worse than sentient oxen. You can look at their culture within Africa during that time and say that it's barbaric, I won't argue. I don't know what the dynamics were, if they were willing human sacrifices, if everything was entrenched in fear or a sense of duty, that's something that would require not only research but an examination of the bazillion different tribal practices of the specific tribes that came over to the US.

Would you rather be a slave in the Congo, or a slave in New York City?

New York City wasn't settled until 1624, and looked vastly different than it does now. It's also cold as fuck, and my spoiled ass is very used to a warmer climate that isn't inundated with snow. If you're asking me personally, is there a "neither" option? If you're asking a hypothetical slave from that era, who knows.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

When you live in a place that didn't have those "necessities" in the first place, you don't really know or understand what you're missing out on. We can say what we would have chosen, but we can't exactly ask them because they're long since toast. There's probably something to be said about having a chance to die in your own land among the people there, versus dying around an unfamiliar people treated worse than sentient oxen. You can look at their culture within Africa during that time and say that it's barbaric, I won't argue. I don't know what the dynamics were, if they were willing human sacrifices, if everything was entrenched in fear or a sense of duty, that's something that would require not only research but an examination of the bazillion different tribal practices of the specific tribes that came over to the US.

Blacks continue to move to the U.S and other Western countries by the millions. Some are so desperate, they build dinghy rafts and float their way to Europe hoping a country picks them up.

It's not a debate anymore. If Blacks didn't feel like they were missing out, why come at all? Why not have Africa send a ship to every nation and take back their slave descendants? The answer is simple: they wont go back because they know life is better here and they could never rebuild the same societies without a white person to help guide them.

New York City wasn't settled until 1624, and looked vastly different than it does now. It's also cold as fuck, and my spoiled ass is very used to a warmer climate that isn't inundated with snow. If you're asking me personally, is there a "neither" option? If you're asking a hypothetical slave from that era, who knows.

How do you think New York City was settled at all and why do people live there? Obviously it took Europeans to transform it into the high tech society it is now. But whereas NYC always existed on that path to prosperity, there is no evidence Congo was ever going to see better living conditions.

In fact, even Muhammad Ali commented on what life was like in the Congo when he travelled there for a boxing match and admitted his great grandparents were better off being slaves taken to America, than staying behind.

https://quotepark.com/quotes/1761571-dinesh-dsouza-better-off-the-point-is-illustrated-by-the-great/

[–]EuropeanAwakening14 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, they fought long and hard (AKA rioting) to get White people to give them free stuff and access.