do people here care about the thousands of Whites murdered by cops?

submitted by valkyria1488 from self.debatealtright

or do they ignore it, or justify it like a piece of absolute fucking shit? Cops kill thousands of White people every year, mostly for "crimes" like being homeless or not paying rent but even if they did something more serious their lives still fucking matter because they are White and superior just because of that...ALL WHITE LIVES MATTER FUCK YOU IF THAT BOTHERS YOU ACAB

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[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 6 insightful - 6 fun6 insightful - 5 fun7 insightful - 6 fun -  (0 children)

tits or gtfo

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

Obvious troll is obvious.

[–]valkyria1488[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Can you explain how it makes me a fucking troll that I care about the thousands of Whites who are killed by cops? Almost all of them poor? Can you not believe anyone would give a fuck about that?

[–]valkyria1488[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

NO. Why can I not ask a question without getting that shit?

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    [–]ActuallyNot 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (45 children)

    Unarmed white people are disproportionately more likely to be shot at by police, contrary to the false anti-white BLM-communist narratives, but it still lacks too much context.

    If anyone is wondering why this sounds like complete bullshit, it's because it is:

    Compared to their numbers in the overall population, an unarmed black man is about four times more likely to be killed by police than an unarmed white man. - source (soft paywall, open in incognito window)

    Fatal police shootings of unarmed Black people in US more than 3 times as high as in Whites - source

    Most victims were reported to be armed (83%); however, black victims were more likely to be unarmed (14.8%) than white (9.4%) or Hispanic (5.8%) victims. - source

    We find that, across several circumstances of police killings and their objective reasonableness, Black suspects are more than twice as likely to be killed by police than are persons of other racial or ethnic groups; even when there are no other obvious circumstances during the encounter that would make the use of deadly force reasonable. - source

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      [–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

      Blacks are disproportionately killed by police less often when you add necessary context.

      We find that, across several circumstances of police killings and their objective reasonableness, Black suspects are more than twice as likely to be killed by police than are persons of other racial or ethnic groups; even when there are no other obvious circumstances during the encounter that would make the use of deadly force reasonable.

      Perhaps you should show your source.

      Shooting of blacks by officers are most often the result of the perpetrator fighting the cop armed or unarmed.

      even when there are no other obvious circumstances during the encounter that would make the use of deadly force reasonable.

      Blacks commit violent crimes at a proportional rate of over 10-times the white population.

      about 2.67 times the rate according to the U.S. Department of Justice ... at least in the case of non-fatal violent crimes. I imagine that the fatal ones would be much smaller, so wouldn't disturb the percentages much. Certainly not by a factor of four.

      If you don't factor in this blatantly obvious fact (obvious to intelligent people, at least)

      Funny you should mention intelligence. Considering your fact was out by about 400%.

      that black people are inherently more likely to violently engage with police, then your conclusion will be those idiotic (false) neoliberal talking points.

      even when there are no other obvious circumstances during the encounter that would make the use of deadly force reasonable.

      that black people are inherently more likely to violently engage with police,

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        [–]Blackbrownfreestuff 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

        Another thing to consider for your argument is how the violent crime rate isn't even the best variable to explain the disparity. Sure it's helpful, but it's the total arrest rate for their race that really matters, or even better, number of police interactions.

        Blacks get shot by police all the time during routine encounters for petty, non-violent crimes because they do stupid shit. That black that stole the cops taser passed out drunk in his car in a drive-thru before being justifiably shot. Violent crimes arrests are not needed for something awful to happen.

        Secondly, the more interactions you have with the police, the more opportunities you will encounter to have an escalated situation. This is their fault because they turn their communities into crime ridden shitholes. Of course youre more likely to get shot by police when you face off with them weekly in a nigger jungle war zone.

        [–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Sure it's helpful, but it's the total arrest rate for their race that really matters, or even better, number of police interactions.

        No, the same racism that gets black people killed by police more gets them more police interactions.

        [–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

        Disingenuous.

        And yet factual.

        What type of violent crimes do you consider most important? Murder floats around an 8-to-1 to 10-to-1 for black/white murder proportionally and sometimes higher depending on the region.

        You didn't say "Blacks commit Murder at a proportional rate of less than 10-times the white population, in some regions." you said "Blacks commit violent crimes at a proportional rate of over 10-times the white population."

        I haven't looked up the rates for murder, but if you concede that you have exaggerated the figures for violent crime by 300% I'll have a look a your murder numbers.

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          [–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

          It depends on the definition of "violent crime" being used.

          How about: "A crime in which a victim is harmed by or threatened with violence"? It would be a sensible choice, because that is what violent crime is.

          No with that definition you have claimed that. "Blacks commit violent crimes at a proportional rate of over 10-times the white population."

          The figures from the department of justice are 2.67-times.

          Where are these figures that show 10-times?

          [–]Yin 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

          Where are these figures that show 10-times.

          You spend a lot of time citing illogical neoliberal propaganda yet can't manage to find murder rates?

          Murder, various years for examples:

          Interracial murder, various years for examples :

          Interracial "violent crime" by race of offender vs victim:

          Chicago as a case study:

          You can adjust Chicago's numbers per capita for race. I don't feel like wasting my time.

          Fun facts:

          Guns:

          Serial killings:

          Stats on black criminality are similar or worse around the world. The US has better data collection and transparency than every other nation including European nations. Some European nations (France, Sweden...) have begun censoring the data to conform to a neoliberal cult because the data is damning to the narrative. Elites act to flood nations with these people causing extreme crime and misery on the local populations. That's even with US data containing tons of inaccurate data (e.g. when blatantly Hispanic offenders are marked down under "white" giving a misleading tilt).

          [–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

          I can't open any of those links. Do you have the original research?

          [–]Fitter_HappierWhite Nationalist 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

          Compared to their numbers in the overall population, an unarmed black man is about four times more likely to be killed by police than an unarmed white man.

          Yes dipshit, because they're 10 times more likely to be doing some niggery bullshit that will get you shot by a cop, like grabbing his gun or shooting at him with the taser they took from him. God damn it will you morons never accept reality?

          [–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

          Ohh! Powerful.

          You said "niggery". You must be a sensible intellectual with a good relationship with his wife.

          I will pay careful attention to your posts in future, because you're clearly more discerning and learned (while still being manly and not at all tanned, uncomfortable with their sexuality or an incel).

          Please show me how you manage to construct such a logical argument that even the most learned of your opponents have to concede, while still maintaining your sweet guy demeanour.

          We all have so much to learn.

          [–]Fitter_HappierWhite Nationalist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          What is it about the, quite descriptive, word niggery that makes you lose your composure? I'm sorry but banning words because you don't like their meaning is not allowed. You know exactly what niggery behavior is, as do all Black people. I didn't say all Blacks act niggery.

          [–]Blackbrownfreestuff 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (19 children)

          Compared to their numbers in the overall population, an unarmed black man is about four times more likely to be killed

          Lol, that's dumb. Blacks and whites have different arrest rates. You need to control for number of arrests, not population size. Of course more blacks are going to get shot per capita if they commit more crime.

          [–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

          Lol, that's dumb. Blacks and whites have different arrest rates. You need to control for number of arrests, not population size. Of course more blacks are going to get shot per capita if they commit more crime.

          I'll point you again to the last link:

          We find that, across several circumstances of police killings and their objective reasonableness, Black suspects are more than twice as likely to be killed by police than are persons of other racial or ethnic groups; even when there are no other obvious circumstances during the encounter that would make the use of deadly force reasonable. - source

          [–]Blackbrownfreestuff 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

          Unfortunately it cost $31 to access this study. Did you read it? Do you a have link to a free version?

          This claim sounds impossible to support scientifically :

          even when there are no other obvious circumstances during the encounter that would make the use of deadly force reasonable.

          Reasonable according to who?

          [–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

          Unfortunately it cost $31 to access this study. Did you read it? Do you a have link to a free version?

          Here is the paper with the quote: https://www.bu.edu/bulawreview/files/2020/05/07-FAGAN-CAMPBELL.pdf

          I miss-cite it above. A free version of the one I cite is here: https://www.chea.upenn.edu/wp-content/blogs.dir/70/files/sites/70/2020/10/Racial-Inequity-in-Fatal-US-Police-Shootings.pdf

          Reasonable according to who?

          There's an extensive discussion about reasonableness, because of how case law has allowed police to kill people in a situations in which most people would consider unreasonable.

          [–]Yin 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

          You're citing neoliberal propaganda designed to hide reality that black people fundamentally cause black criminality.

          It's the low IQ equivalent of proclaiming:

          "More men are in prison for murder than women. More men resist arrest than women. Such inequity! The system is rigged!"

          Retardation like that is common among blank-slate-theory neoliberal and communist propagandists. Deploying correlation-causation fallacies to every topic they touch is the leading tactic of their cult ideology.

          [–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

          You're citing neoliberal propaganda designed to hide reality that black people fundamentally cause black criminality.

          Calling it that doesn't make it so.

          If you've got research that shows that, present it. But that doesn't make the article in the Boston University Law Review incorrect. At most it will give a different analysis. Probably less informed, to be fair.

          "More men are in prison for murder than women. More men resist arrest than women. Such inequity! The system is rigged!"

          I disagree with this analogy, because when you correct for circumstances, you still get more blacks shot by police.

          But I suppose that you know that, since there's no reason to argue by analogy if the data supports your actual claim.

          [–]Yin 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

          I'm merely calling it what it is: neoliberal propaganda.

          I disagree with this analogy, because when you correct for circumstances, you still get more blacks shot by police.

          False.

          The analogy is fitting. More blacks deserve to be shot by police, much like more men deserve to be shot by police: they are committing actions that lead to the outcome of being shot by police.

          [–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

          More blacks deserve to be shot by police, much like more men deserve to be shot by police

          No, that's exactly what the data doesn't show. When you correct for circumstances, you still get more blacks shot by police.

          False.

          Okay, I've shown you the data and analysis that shows it to be true.

          You claim "false" but with no data or analysis. Show me this analysis: I'm not remotely impressed by your personal opinion.

          [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          Honestly, this situation is never going to change because Black communities bring the stereotype with them.

          Look at South Africa. Police are still going to kill them, even when they themselves run the country. Segregate them or give them their own nations, but it's pointless to force White people to magically change their standards around them for as long they're at the bottom of society.

          It's more or less proof that diversity doesn't work, or it doesn't need to be practiced. Because there are so many problems associated with it, but very few answers as to HOW we can make the system perfect.

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            [–]valkyria1488[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

            Why do you show respect to this openly anti-white poster but treat me like shit?

            [–]nordmannenLegionnaire 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

            Because you are either a dyke or a tranny, and neither deserve respect.

            [–]Yin 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

            Further, if you want to objectively understand criminality and the nature of crime as it pertains to demographics (genetics/race/sex/age), you have to focus on real-world examples. Major US cities such as New York City are good case examples:

            https://i.ibb.co/MsbYdg1/image.jpg

            That's just scraping the surface. The same behaviors extrapolate to unarmed events: those who fight police vs. those who don't.

            [–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

            That's a big chart, for not much statistical significance. The n is too low to make conclusions. That "White: 12.5%" slice is two white people killed by police.

            That "Black 79%" is 15 people firing on police. If those incidents are independent, 1 standard deviation is probably about √n = 3.87 which is a little over 20%.

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              [–]Pis-dur 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

              What are those rates you write about?

              [–]Fitter_HappierWhite Nationalist 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

              Great source:

              Leading by example in Equality, Diversity and Inclusion

              Cultural diversity and inclusion are a vital part of BMJ’s culture.

              [–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

              Yes, the source is good. Not only by being about the third most prestigious medical journal in the world, but also by having a non-racist culture.

              This is important in medicine, as a lot of testing of treatments is done on university students with a bias towards being better suited to whites and males.

              [–]Fitter_HappierWhite Nationalist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

              having a non-racist culture

              Nothing to do with the scientific method. Quite the opposite in fact. When your premise is "all subspecies of this species are axiomatically equal", you've left the sphere of science and entered into dogma.

              [–]LetssavethefirsworldReturn to Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

              Shot at =\= shot dead

              [–]valkyria1488[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (19 children)

              No killing of a white person is ever justified.

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                [–]valkyria1488[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

                You are not white

                BTW this is not 4chan this is a place for serious debate so fuck off

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                  [–]valkyria1488[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

                  Shut up.

                  [–][deleted]  (14 children)

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                    [–]valkyria1488[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

                    Let's assume you are right and I'm a tranny, that means a tranny cares more about White lives than you do. Maybe trannies ARE better people

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                      [–]valkyria1488[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

                      Can you tell me why it is so wrong that I care about whites who are murdered by zogbots? That I believe in the 14 words? I just want to find people who agree with me. WHY is that so wrong?

                      [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (9 children)

                      Everytime I watch a cop video, the suspect is always resisting or doing some insane bullshit like waving a knife around. Society is honestly better off without these people.

                      [–]Blackbrownfreestuff 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                      Insane bullshit like grabbing the cops taser and pointing it at him.

                      [–]valkyria1488[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

                      Fuck you

                      [–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

                      You'll never be a woman.

                      You've caused your father great pain.

                      https://files.catbox.moe/4mc1z1.webm

                      [–]Blackbrownfreestuff 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (3 children)

                      No. Fuck you. You're a nigger kike tranny faggot.

                      [–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

                      I think you replied to the wrong person.

                      [–]Blackbrownfreestuff 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

                      I can never tell with saidit. It was obviously programmed by a lesbian jew.

                      [–]valkyria1488[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                      Well fuck you you piece of shit. Of you do not respect me why should I respect you?

                      [–]valkyria1488[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

                      Can you just answer my fucking question?

                      [–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                      Answer mine you kipper licker. Inquiring minds need to know.

                      [–]Brewdabier 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

                      When OP say's murdered by cops did they argue with cops, refuse to follow orders, run from cops. if the answer is yes then why should I give a rats ass if the cops kill them.

                      [–]valkyria1488[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

                      Fuck you piece of shit boomer. White lives matter simply because they are white and cops enforcing shit laws should be resisted.

                      [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                      This is like white trash levels of defending white people doing stupid shit. I wouldn't be surprised if you weren't typing from a part-time meth den tbh. Obey the law, don't do retarded shit while being questioned, win.

                      [–]YJaewedwqewqClerical Fascist 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                      Obvious troll, but a significant number (probably a good 80% or more?) of cops are ZOGbots, especially nonwhite ones. All there is to say.

                      [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                      I've made the same argument myself. It's not a race thing though, it's a cop thing. The job attracts bullies, rapists, and murderers.

                      People here are under the impression this does not happen to people like them. They think the victims must have done something to deserve it. That they fought, they didn't listen, and so of course this would never happen to them because they wouldn't do those things.

                      I strongly believe in police reform. I was hopeful BLM would do something good but that was obviously a total failure. Just an excuse to loot, break shit, and profit off donations.

                      [–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

                      You still a dyke?

                      [–]sylla94 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                      booba!

                      [–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                      or do they ignore it, or justify it like a piece of absolute fucking shit?

                      https://giphy.com/gifs/thats-bait-srTYyZ1BjBtGU

                      [–]Airbus320 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

                      😮

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                        [–]valkyria1488[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                        Then why are you here if you do not defend white people?

                        [–]beece 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                        Fake news.

                        [–]Pis-dur 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

                        Any source on "thousands of whites murder by cops"?

                        [–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

                        It's a troll account. I wouldn't bother.

                        [–]Blackbrownfreestuff 6 insightful - 5 fun6 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

                        Troll account? Not possible. He has 1488 in his handle. That can only mean he is one of us, lol.

                        [–]Fitter_HappierWhite Nationalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                        I'm as pasty White as Casper and I always treat cops like they're one slight away from hurting me big time. Assholes become cops, but society needs them because there are bigger assholes than cops, Blacks just happen to be a bigger proportion of them.