Do beautiful women have less children? Any stats on this matter?

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[–]Pis-dur 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Any source for "half women wouldn't be on antidepressants"?
Could you elaborate on what may be this "something deeper"? What do you have in mind?
I think that the key is to understand that we shouldn't live to work. But we live in capitalistic society, where you either work long hours or die, be it a single man, woman, couple, man with a kid, woman with a kid. Every one of them has to work and care about career, especially singles with kids. Some of them will be happy because of freedom, some of them not. I'm not sure where I'm heading with my words, but still, finally everybody have a choice. Yes, we've got plenty of aggressive corporate social media that literally choose for us what should be want and again, together with capitalism it makes people jealous that others have these expensive clothes/voyages/cars, fantastic careers (or just photos of fantastic careers ;] ) etc., but we should be at least thaught how fake those things are. I don't want to write any more words about it cause it's gonna look like a rant on our civilisation, but yes - I'm quite frustrated, and still think that it's better that people have choice now. Not everybody wants kids, not everybody is capable of raising kids, good to at least have a choice.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

My bad it's 1/4. Sorry I misremembered that although I'm sure I've read it's higher elsewhere but I made a mistake. (Still insanely high and troubling.)

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/women-and-prescription-drug-use_n_1098023

Could you elaborate on what may be this "something deeper"? What do you have in mind?

What I have in mind is that women are being propagandized into thinking real fulfilment comes from work and career and that family life is an afterthought and/or some kind of bondage.

But we live in capitalistic society, where you either work long hours or die, be it a single man, woman, couple, man with a kid, woman with a kid.

I agree but that's what has to change. Believe it or not a mere generation ago -- both my grandfathers did this -- a man could raise a large family -- paternal grandad was Catholic and had 8 -- on a single middle class or even working class income while living in a major urban center. None of what we look at around us is an accident and it could change if people wanted it to.

I'm not sure where I'm heading with my words, but still, finally everybody have a choice

But you yourself just said that in reality people don't have a choice and I agree.

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Antidepressants are prescribed for other reasons than depression itself, namely anxiety. The article mentions anxiolytic use increasing as well, but the fact that it's including older women leads me to believe that menopause might be a factor. You have a perfect storm of providers handing out diagnoses like candy along with meds, women having more fucked up cycles due to the level of endocrine disruptors that everyone is exposed to along with the disorders/diseases that come with that, general stress and feelings of being overwhelmed, and a society that plays up how much they care about women's issues while throwing the majority of us under the bus only to use us as a shield when convenient.

Men aren't solid across the board, and it's been a while since they have been, obviously it's the same with women. It's not dependable to be in relationships for most people the way that it used to be. People run from each other as soon as any problems arise instead of sticking around to attempt to fix anything. Porn has absolutely fucked so many people up, and it's considered normal and even healthy within relationships/marriages to watch another person you're not with fuck/get fucked/masturbate. It's just dismissed as fantasy and harmless, and defended with more vigor than the land we live on. This is a god awful time for people to look for relationships, it really is. Starting families is one thing, but you need solid foundations for that first, and I think people are struggling to even get that far.

[–]Pis-dur 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What I have in mind is that women are being propagandized into thinking real fulfilment comes from work and career and that family life is an afterthought and/or some kind of bondage.

How are they propagandized into such thinking? Honestly, my observations are that people think real fulfillment comes from Instagram photos in fancy places. Traveling, traveling, traveling, leisure time etc. - not work and career. And not only women. But that's just my observations. Maybe career is the key to such life. Don't know.

I agree but that's what has to change. Believe it or not a mere generation ago -- both my grandfathers did this -- a man could raise a large family -- paternal grandad was Catholic and had 8 -- on a single middle class or even working class income while living in a major urban center. None of what we look at around us is an accident and it could change if people wanted it to.

And you are sure that such huge families could give their children enough education? Especially in US, where it's not so cheap?

But you yourself just said that in reality people don't have a choice and I agree.

Yes and no. I see that nowadays everybody has to work. Both people in couples, otherwise they will not have enough money to raise a kid. However, at the same time, are people who actually made a choice and decided they don't want children. Because they don't want society, parents, family, friends to impose any behavior on them. Some of them are traveling, discovering places, they are spending all their money and time on leisure, putting photos on Instagram. They find it fulfilling. Nowadays people are more idividualistic, they couldn't do it earlier because of ostracism, now it starts to slowly disappear. Also, if you look at wealthy countries - why fertility is smaller than in poor countries? That's kind of question I would like to know the exact answer to.