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[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

You cannot force healthiness on anyone. Do you support liberty? That is the exact issue we are having right now, albeit phrased under the guise of a pandemic rather than a wave of obesity.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

No I don't support 'liberty' when it is opposed to the general good. Nearly everything I hate is proposed to the population as a liberty that somehow people posess that it would be wrong for you to infringe upon because that would be an affront to the liberty of the person in question. Multiracialism is framed in terms of the liberty of the minority, homosexuality is framed in terms of the liberty of the homosexual, financial exploitation by banks is framed as it being a liberty they posess to exploit people. In fact nearly everything I despise people argue for it on the basis that it would be illiberal to work against it. 'Liberty' is the most pernicious form of political control because it convinces the enslaved that they are actually free.

Also you can force anything on anyone. Coercing and cajoling a population into healthy lifestyles is what any decent society would do.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

"Coercing and cajoling a population into healthy lifestyles is what any decent society would do."

You don't coerce or cajole, that's what kikes do. You convince through proper discussion and presenting evidence. Sometimes this doesn't work, but you don't go full blown authoritarian with it.

I believe in homogenous societies run by democratic clans and kings. I support much of what you say you support, but I don't pick up my enemies philosophies and become a confused bootlicker, unlike you.

Liberty is something most of us do not deserve but should receive anyways. Once someone chooses to do evil with their liberty, something can be done. You see to want to limit all sorts of things from the get go, like making laws like blanket statements, and Innocents will indeed be caught in the crossfire.

You seem to forget that ancient societies that wee homogenous either turned out to be quite friendly and open, albeit strong and unchanging in their traditions, or violent and oppressive, and constantly changing. Homogenous societies aren't always great, sometimes the base genetic stock is countered by horrible spiritual beliefs. I'm thinking of the ancient Semitic societies here, like Sumer.

I don't care about your views on freedom and liberty, because you misunderstand my own views. I don't believe in liking or helping people with making their free choices, however I believe in protecting myself when their choices become negative for us all. That's the situation we are in now, where they start abusing their freedoms.

I'm not going to take them away from others just because they are scary with how they use it. Id be careful, like as surgeon, cutting away the malignant life to leave behind that which is healthy. You would simply cut it all away. You don't realize that for real change to occur you have to guide people into using their freedoms in a healthy manner, rather than coerce and cajole.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You convince through proper discussion and presenting evidence. Sometimes this doesn't work, but you don't go full blown authoritarian with it.

I've talked to thousands of people and used proper discussion and evidence. I'd choose actual state power to do these things over rational discussion every day of the week. That has nothing to do with 'kikes'. That's how most societies have worked in history.

I believe in homogenous societies run by democratic clans and kings. I support much of what you say you support, but I don't pick up my enemies philosophies and become a confused bootlicker, unlike you.

I don't understand what this means. I want to use state power to further my goals. Again I don't know what this has to do with being a bootlicker. Were the NatSocs merely in favour of authoritarianism simply because they adopted Jewish ideas? This makes no sense to me.

Liberty is something most of us do not deserve but should receive anyways. Once someone chooses to do evil with their liberty, something can be done. You see to want to limit all sorts of things from the get go, like making laws like blanket statements, and Innocents will indeed be caught in the crossfire.

I'm simply saying that obseity is a profoundly anti-social and 'evil' tendency that society should take steps to avoid. All laws have the potential to persecute innocent people that doesn't mean they should be abandoned. I believe in the death penalty though I'm in no doubt that this law will in some cases condemn the innocent to death.

I don't care about your views on freedom and liberty, because you misunderstand my own views.

Likewise.

I don't believe in liking or helping people with making their free choices, however I believe in protecting myself when their choices become negative for us all. That's the situation we are in now, where they start abusing their freedoms.

100% agree.

I'm not going to take them away from others just because they are scary with how they use it.

I would but I'd replace 'scary' which is an emotiional term with deleterious. That's where we disagree.

Id be careful, like as surgeon, cutting away the malignant life to leave behind that which is healthy.

Bad analogy. I'm not talking about forced euthinasia I'm talking about sensible policies that make people turn towards healthy lifestyles.

You don't realize that for real change to occur you have to guide people into using their freedoms in a healthy manner, rather than coerce and cajole.

Guide, coerce, cajole. It's all the same. We're simply talking about a difference of terms here. I agree that the state should 'guide' people into better behaviour in all sorts of ways.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

"Guide, coerce, cajole. It's all the same."

Here is where we truly disagree.