Thoughts on TRS and Enoch?

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bro I am so bloody confused. Enoch was literally married to a jew?? And he knew about it the entire time and they even had a jew wedding?? I feel like Enoch was just pretending to be diss right to get money/fame no? Just seems super strange... I think it's like how Candace Owens pretends to be a black MAGApede despite being anti-Trump in the past.

I see NJP ppl mocking amnats for still supporting zion don and/or desantis but, how is that any different from enoch's jew loving dumbass...

Also, does anyone know what happened to that debate b/w jared and EMJ on race realism?? Did it ever happen :(

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[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Taylor and EMJ had to be cancelled for logistical reasons. Would have been a boring debate anyway as EMJ's position on race is very odd and Taylor's is very reasonable. Also its Taylor's passion. You might as well have a debate between Taylor and Jones on Catholic history. Would have been a cakewalk for the Great Huwhite Hope.

As for Enoch this has been done to death here. Search the sub and there's a lot of threads and a lot of discussion about it. For me he's one of the most entertaining and intelligent dissident right people we have who consistently makes brilliant pro-white and counter-semitic content. That's the end of the story. He married a jew before he was a wn but has a nice goylfriend now to take care of him. That's all there is to it for me.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Mike, Striker, Ahab, Borzoi and Alex are the 5 of the 6 highest quality (Knowledge, intuition, 'hot takes' etc. They're consistently spot on with their analysis and giving good recommendations on how dissidents should conduct themselves) dissident right figures in America.

It just so happens that Mike has brought them all into one place, on his platform. This itself shows the quality of the man, when the sharpest political minds of the day all see you as someone to rally around there's obviously something to you.

If him having a jewish wife before he was redpilled is a dealbreaker for you then I'd recommend sticking to gossip magazines aimed at teenage girls since that would seem to be your area of interest.

[–]EuropeanAwakening14 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Love TRS and Enoch.

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    [–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    He was going through a divorce at the time and had to keep stum which he repeatedly said. There's nothing to address. He married her before he was a wn and now hes got a new gf. Case closed. If you like product consume. If not don't.

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    It's all so strange. Is there even a perfect "dissident right" person? every person from enoch to jared have their own flaws.

    just to clarify, I am referring to jared not acknowledging jq

    [–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    There are no perfect people. Why are you surprised by that? If you're looking for them you're going to have a long wait.

    Are you perfect? Do you think if suddenly your entire personal life was revealed by a hostile press there wouldn't be things that are embarrassing?

    That's life. God knows it's true of me. Stop looking for perfect people.

    [–]Node 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    No one should follow me, and I have explicitly rejected followers. "I'll follow you, Node. Just tell me what to do." No.

    As for perfect people to follow, I'll wait until they appear. I don't believe in a single jew puppet mentioned in the text or the comments of this post.

    I don't think people realize how completely 'they' have both/all sides of the issue under their control.

    [–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I am referring to jared not acknowledging jq

    He has subtly mentioned it at times. Enough so that I think he's aware of it and believes most of it. He just has a certain strategy he employs which is to mainly focus of black white racial differences. Time will tell if Jared's approach was the correct one but I don't for one second think he's some type of JQ gatekeeper.

    [–]DisgustResponse 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    People are still having this conversation?

    [–]WhiteZealotWhite Nationalist 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    I like TRS and I'm a paychad. I think they should change the name of the NJP, though, because there's no such thing as "justice" and using that word just supports the types of cucked moralities that got us where we are.

    [–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Just because the left stole the word doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Justice is a powerful word. Justice is frequently used in the bible. The NIV uses justice 130 times.

    Proverbs 21:15 When justice is done, it brings joy to the righteous but terror to evildoers.

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    Exodus 23:2 “Do not follow the crowd in doing wrong. When you give testimony in a lawsuit, do not pervert justice by siding with the crowd,

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    Deuteronomy 16:20 Follow justice and justice alone, so that you may live and possess the land the Lord your God is giving you.

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    Job 29:14 I put on righteousness as my clothing; justice was my robe and my turban.

    Jews hijacked that word for a reason. They want 1000's of years of white religious righteousness directed at deifying blacks and fighting the 'sin' or racism.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

    The only problem I have with TRS is that they glamorize Nazis when it is completely unnecessary. The holocaust happen a long time ago and there is no reason to resurrect old specters. There is a way to side step their narratives by just talking about the right of ethnic self determination and using The UN and Jewish definitions against them. It will not necessarily give us power, but we will always have the moral high ground in our propaganda. Germans don't need to rehabilitate the Nazis either, they can tell the world that they have apologized enough and it is time for people to move on.

    [–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    The holocaust happen a long time ago and there is no reason to resurrect old specters.

    Call me when you've told that to the Jews. Once they stop using it as a weapon against Nationalism and any White self-assertion then I'll stop deconstructing it. Deal?

    I hear that so much and it's so funny because the people who say it don't go down to the latest Holocaust Memorial being built in another obscure corner of the world they tell it to right wing people. Tell the Jews there's no reason to resurrect old specters. Don't tell us.

    It's also a statistical fact that for most American Jews the most important part of their identity as Jews is the Holocaust. So again next time you see a Jew or pass a Synagogue or a Holocaust Memorial go tell them 'The holocaust happened a long time ago and there is no reason to resurrect old specters.'

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    Call me when you've told that to the Jews. Once they stop using it as a weapon against Nationalism and any White self-assertion then I'll stop deconstructing it. Deal?

    Tell Jews they should stop blaming groups that are not related to the holocaust.

    It's also a statistical fact that for most American Jews the most important part of their identity as Jews is the Holocaust. So again next time you see a Jew or pass a Synagogue or a Holocaust Memorial go tell them 'The holocaust happened a long time ago and there is no reason to resurrect old specters.'

    Yes, Jews have an outsized influence in White countries. We need to reach White people, not Jews. They are the primary enemy of White people, we don't need to appease them.

    [–]Node 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I've heard that someone invented a way to not appease them one time.

    [–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    You've totally missed the point of my comment if you think I'm talking about appeasing Jews.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    You can deconstruct the holocaust, but it won't convince a normal racially unconscious White audience. I am just saying that we need to focus more on growing a positive white identity. TRS focuses mainly on negative things that happen to White people and their civilization but don't focus on great aspects of American culture and celebrating it. FTN pretty much deconstructs all of US history and calls it "fake and gay" with their deep dives on the founders. I am just saying it might be a better idea if we germinate the seed of a positive white ethnic identity as a priority over directly deconstruct our enemies. We need the organization and community first because we need to build the future we want today. We also need safe networks to do effective political organizing. The movement seems to be focused on "stop hurting us" phase, when we should be like "this is what we want and are doing it, lets come together to rebuilt this society together". I am not saying the latter isn't happening, but we need to focus on that more than the former.

    [–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    The only problem I have with TRS is that they glamorize Nazis when it is completely unnecessary.

    I don't think 'glamorize' is the right word but yes they are far more woke on the nat soc pill then other dissident circles. If that's something you don't like then there are plenty of other dissidents that take different approaches. TRS isn't for everyone and that's ok.

    The holocaust happen a long time ago and there is no reason to resurrect old specters.

    The holocaust did not happen. Unless the 'holocaust' is putting Jews in political camps like the Japanese were in except with orchestras and birthing wards for Jews to have babies.

    It's interesting you bring up the holocaust because in my opinion that's a deal breaker for dissidents. If you accept the full narrative on the holocaust you really can't be a dissident. Refusing to talk about the holohoax is also excepting the narrative so it's just as bad. I don't expect every dissident to love Hitler or national socialism or esoteric occult vril mysticism though. People that force Hitler worship onto dissidents are either feds or autists that don't realize how stigmatized Hitler is in the normiesphere. Hitler is one of the last pills to take that's for sure.

    There is a way to side step their narratives by just talking about the right of ethnic self determination and using The UN and Jewish definitions against them

    Agreed but many dissidents have tried this holocaust avoidance thing and it always makes them look bad. Tom Metzger stands out as an example. The minute you refuse to take a position on the holocaust any person that interviews you is going to pound that and make you look weak and like a closet fascist. It's not a good approach in my opinion and it failed miserably in the 90's when it was tried.

    It will not necessarily give us power, but we will always have the moral high ground in our propaganda.

    Sure, and Taylor does this correctly but Taylor is the exception to the rule. Most dissidents are on Taylor's level though. They look like they're hiding something when asked about the holocaust and it causes the average person to see the dissident as tricky and dishonest.

    Germans don't need to rehabilitate the Nazis either, they can tell the world that they have apologized enough and it is time for people to move on.

    This is where I disagree respectfully. Jews will never let you just move on and Jews control the minds of a huge chunk of the western world. The way the holocaust lie works is it causes mental trauma and extreme guilt triggers a need for repentance.

    My elementary school put three 6th grade classrooms together in the library and wheeled in a vhs player and TV cart to show us the unedited Shindler's list complete with nude bodies and heads getting blown off. You can't just tell people: yeah sure that totally happened let's just move on! No, the average white person eats that guilt up and it becomes almost a religion to them and it colors their entire political life cycle. Jews know this. It's why they installed the programming in the first place. Break the programming first. Break the founding myth and everything flows from there.

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    The holocaust did not happen. Unless the 'holocaust' is putting Jews in political camps like the Japanese were in except with orchestras and birthing wards for Jews to have babies.

    In war, they often lock up potential foreign enemies because they might be spies or undermine the national security of the state and war effort. In foreign invasions, forced labor is common strategy because it supplements production and reduces the risk of losing the war because of lost supply lines. This is also why when a military retreats from a defensible position they might raze buildings and destroy farm land because it is better if the nobody has access to it than the enemy. The treatment in forced labor camps is not exactly luxurious; the captives working camps sometimes die of overwork, reprisals, illness and diseases.

    What you should emphasis is that everyone was doing that in the war including violent reprisals. There is not a strict delineation between non combatants and combatants in a war between countries. the non combatants indirectly support the war effort through taxation and labor that creates a society that can sustain a military war effort. Jewish elites were a major part of World War II and just because they don't have an official military doesn't make them not an enemy threat they should be dealt with. If you participate and help incite a world war and don't have an army, whose fault is that? Wars are between nations and nobody buys it that these Jewish elites were not acting in the interests of Jews.

    It's interesting you bring up the holocaust because in my opinion that's a deal breaker for dissidents. If you accept the full narrative on the holocaust you really can't be a dissident. Refusing to talk about the holohoax is also excepting the narrative so it's just as bad. I don't expect every dissident to love Hitler or national socialism or esoteric occult vril mysticism though. People that force Hitler worship onto dissidents are either feds or autists that don't realize how stigmatized Hitler is in the normiesphere. Hitler is one of the last pills to take that's for sure.

    The validity of the holocaust isn't important because it is no longer a historical event in occupied countries but a sacred religious event that cannot be questioned. Attacking someone's deeply held religious beliefs will not win support because they didn't come to these beliefs through intellectual inquiry. The fact Jews use the holocaust as a bludgeon against all Europeans makes them look bad when you point this out and turn it back on them.

    Why should we feel guilty after our ancestors liberated your ancestors from "death" camps"?

    Why are we obligated to cater to your interests based on how you treated us in the past and how you treat us now?

    If we are obligated to take your people as refugees in the past and open our borders to mass immigration, why are you not taking refugees, opening borders and continue to genocide Palestinians?

    We never justify a victim of a bully to lash out at against all of society, why do Jews get this special exception?

    My point, is you can easily side step their narratives by talking about how they acted before WWII and post WWII.

    Agreed but many dissidents have tried this holocaust avoidance thing and it always makes them look bad.

    Ask them how it is relevant to the current political discussion? It is a non-sequitur almost every time it is brought up. Also, bringing it up can be used as evidence of Jewish outsized influence in White countries. Why is the goto reply always Jews? White people are not inherently evil beings and there many cases where they are far more merciful and fair to other racial groups even when they are enemies.

    My elementary school put three 6th grade classrooms together in the library and wheeled in a vhs player and TV cart to show us the unedited Shindler's list complete with nude bodies and heads getting blown off. You can't just tell people: yeah sure that totally happened let's just move on! No, the average white person eats that guilt up and it becomes almost a religion to them and it colors their entire political life cycle. Jews know this. It's why they installed the programming in the first place. Break the programming first. Break the founding myth and everything flows from there.

    You can break the programming of the holocaust without talking directly about the holocaust. You can talk about other victims of history, especially Europeans in the hands of other groups. The holocaust only appears to have a stranglehold on White people because Jews control the culture and media. The average White person doesn't consciously care about the holocaust except "conservative" political figures, leftists and Jews. The primary goal is to get Whites to care about other White people as a group and understanding the existential threat of White replacement.

    [–]Node 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    The primary goal is to get Whites to care about other White people as a group and understanding the existential threat of White replacement.

    What about Whites who are so retarded and dysfunctional that they believe in the anti-White propaganda?

    What about Whites who "used to be a leftist/liberal/ally/etc, but now I'm woke"?

    I don't believe those people qualify as 'White', since it's far more than just skin color. To me, anyway. I know there are a lot of people with low or no standards.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    What about Whites who are so retarded and dysfunctional that they believe in the anti-White propaganda?

    We still should have answers for them, but it takes tiny steps to bring them to the truth. Some people don't need to know the truth about the Holocaust or other events that still have a grasp over their subconscious. It is not lying or soften the message, it is about fighting the right battles in a hostile environment.

    What about Whites who "used to be a leftist/liberal/ally/etc, but now I'm woke"?

    It depends on the type of White leftist, some people are redeemable and others are not. There should be standards of virtue to be considered a member of a white ethnic group and some acts that are considered irredeemable.

    [–]DisgustResponse 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    1945 is the 0 AD of the new world order. It's impossible to avoid and it's vital that their mythology is destroyed.

    [–]peaceful✞ 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    The show is too mean spirited sometimes, particularly Sven. Plus they reject Jesus and accuse jews of everything. White colorblindness is probably the main problem destroying the west and everyone causes white colorblindness, not just jews.

    [–][deleted] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Have you read Culture of Critique?

    [–]peaceful✞ 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I have read some of it and I agree with it. I always consider how anti-racism is pushed by all sides on whites though.