Slavs aren't white.

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[–]DragonerneJesus is white 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

Another possibility is that tawney jews called themselves germans, swedes etc

I still think it is possible that we were darker just a few centuries ago, Evolution goes super quick, especially when there is a cultural push towards something.
Also think of this, the population has completely exploded in the past 200 years alone with multiple genocides and wars. It is very possible that our current population is not a simple 1:1 scaling of the population 200 years ago. It's possible that as few as 5% of the population 200 years ago represent 90% of the population today and that white skin color was common in those 5%.

We often project our own reality, thoughts and so on back onto the past, but we can't just do that.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You're just weirdly grasping at straws now. Romans over a thousand years ago described Germanic people as blue eyed, fair and blonde. This isn't a new occurrence and they didn't suddenly become dark 200 years ago only somehow to morph into a fair nation in the last 200 years or so. That's absurd.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Another possibility is that tawney jews called themselves germans, swedes etc

Good point but was there really a threat of 'tawney' Jews flooding into the country in 1790? If Franklin didn't want Jews you'd think he would have just said 'jews'. There was far easier to be nativist and to counter Jews at that point in history.

Also think of this, the population has completely exploded in the past 200 years alone with multiple genocides and wars

The non white population you mean. Whites have been on a steady decline the last 80 years or so. You'd think the genocide and wars would have kept the world wide pop more manageable but alas it has not.

It is very possible that our current population is not a simple 1:1 scaling of the population 200 years ago.

Obviously.

It's possible that as few as 5% of the population 200 years ago represent 90% of the population today and that white skin color was common in those 5%.

I'm not really sure exactly what you are saying here. These numbers are pretty clearly tracked historically. It's hasn't changed that drastically but yes there have been demographic shifts.

We often project our own reality, thoughts and so on back onto the past, but we can't just do that.

This is true.

Side note check out the comment I just left in the Hart Cellar thread. It's very related to our conversation.

https://saidit.net/s/debatealtright/comments/81vh/a_misconception_i_see_on_the_alt_right_about_the/ty9x?context=3

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

The non white population you mean. Whites have been on a steady decline the last 80 years or so. You'd think the genocide and wars would have kept the world wide pop more manageable but alas it has not.

The white population has exploded. Denmark went from like 0.5-1 million to 5-6 million. It's possible that say a subset, say 50k out of the 500k exploded to 4 million, while the other 450k exploded to 1-2 million danes. Everyone danish, just slightly different phenotypes, temperament, morals, height, musculature, eyes, immune system etc.

This is of course conjecture, nothing proven or even substantiated by any evidence.

I'm not really sure exactly what you are saying here. These numbers are pretty clearly tracked historically. It's hasn't changed that drastically but yes there have been demographic shifts.

Its gradual. I remember when I first saw American television and people called themselves "white" lol. They were like muds. I realized that everything is relative and now I don't see it anymore because I've become used to it.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The white population has exploded

Not as a percentage of world population. Unless you call latin america white.

[–]TheJamesRocket 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

The white population has exploded. Denmark went from like 0.5-1 million to 5-6 million.

Hmm? Denmarks population in 1939 was 3.8 million. Its population in 2020 was 5.8 million.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes now go back 200-300 years. The population has been stagnant/reducing since the 70's and only increasing due to immigration.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

https://danmarkshistorien.lex.dk/Befolkningen_-_Danmark_i_tal

[–]TheJamesRocket 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

That chart agrees with my numbers.

Yes now go back 200-300 years. The population has been stagnant/reducing since the 70's and only increasing due to immigration.

Yes, but send_nasty_stuff said the last 80 years.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

We're talking about a quote of Franklins who lived 200-300 years ago. This is the time period that we're talking about.

I didn't contest your numbers. I told you to go back to the time that we're talking about.