How do you debunk the argument that "certain races need time to catch up?".

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[–]Fitter_HappierWhite Nationalist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

By explaining the difference between intelligence and ignorance. Blacks have never and I conclude will never catch up.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I've done this before but what usually happens is this:

  1. They say stuff like "jim crow & redlining only ended 50 years ago. Black people who lived through those events are still alive".

  2. They also bring up this 1972 study that says the IQ gap is closing. But they never explain just how much time is needed for it to close completely.

https://www.edweek.org/leadership/black-white-gap-in-iq-scores-closing-study-finds/2006/06

[–]FoxySDTWhite Nationalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

They say stuff like "jim crow & redlining only ended 50 years ago. Black people who lived through those events are still alive".

This was already studied. Effects of slavery vanished after two generations. Sean Last has a good posts on this. (https://ideasanddata.wordpress.com/2019/06/11/slavery-and-modern-black-poverty/, https://ideasanddata.wordpress.com/2019/08/10/on-redlining-and-racial-bias-in-lending/)

hey also bring up this 1972 study that says the IQ gap is closing.

This is Flynn & Dickens paper. Charles Murray wrote a response to it. Apparently they cherry picked certain types of IQ tests and ignored others that showed no narrowing. Interestingly, I just read Murray's newest book and according to him, there was some narrowing in 1970s and 80s but then it stopped and didn't change to this day. (https://i.ibb.co/K9BXrYh/image.png)

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Alright, thanks for the sources.