LGBT discussion (science, morality, history)

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the evidence that homosexuality tendencies--particularly in women--are greatly influenced by sociological and cultural factors is pretty clear

What the science suggests is that all women get turned on by other women, at least a little bit.

Something like 16 percent of Zoomers--ZOOM, ZOOM, ZOOM--identify as gay.

This includes a lot of other things, particularly identities which have been invented very recently and really don't have any actual meaning.

This is because homosexuality is encouraged and celebrated in this sick culture.

The effect of favoritism in admittance and hiring cannot be understated. It's like what they're going for is to make it so that the only way a white guy is going to get a job is by putting on a dress and lipstick.

I want young boys exposed to things like Deborah Harry

Right, pop divas... where could you go wrong?

[–]Richard_Parker 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

"What the science suggests is that all women get turned on by other women, at least a little bit."

Not sure I would describe it that way. Female sexuality sure seems fluid. You have women like Kate Pearson who were into men mostly for decades then gomlesbian. I heard Dr Drew (I know) say while having Ray Oldhafer on that menopausal women going lesbian seems to be repeatable men as they get tired of men. I do know men do not work that. Should circumstance turn me into the most raving, homicidal misogynist, I will still be repulsed by the idea of being with men sexually.

"This includes a lot of other things, particularly identities which have been invented very recently and really don't have any actual meaning."

Not sure, and it does not really matter. proves that social and cultural factors do weigh heavily.

"Right, pop divas... where could you go wrong?"

Yeah, I get it, that stuff is certainly decadent, but in that particular manifestation not all that bad, particularly compared with contemporary figures like Katy Perry, Ariane Brand etc, whose lyrics and imagery are downright scandalous (whereas Deborah Harry was just sexy but still had some class about her, even as she failed to become a mother sadly). Six year old boys should probably not be exposed to it, or maybe they should in a modified way.

To be sure, I was being a bit flippant about Deborah Harry, but when compared with what is going on today with gays getting to our kids and really regardless I think it is healthy for boys to understand what desirable women are (within certain boundaries) and this is something you should be drawn to. I imagine same thing for girls when they see a cowboy in an advertisement or a firefighter or other male figure.

[–]Fonched[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Reminds me of what they are arguing about LGBT characters in cartoons for instance. They claim that such characters are solely there to provide representation to their viewers (instead of "OMG! Kids catching the gay from their TVs!"), further backed by the fact that many LGBT people today were raised seeing straight relationships/cis characters in the media and still turned out to be that way.

[–]Fonched[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Exactly, the whole affirmative action, straight being the default of society, I'll argue that this being more popular is a real circumstance, not 100% the case though.