LGBT discussion (science, morality, history)

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    [–]Richard_Parker 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    but so far I've seen little evidence that homosexuality is acquired or associated with pedophilia.

    Right-winger Devon Stack is adamant this is the case. He did a livestream with Ramzpaul that is now only on bitchute. It is well worth a listen. He does rely on anecdotal evidence but also expresses doubt how a gay gene would carry since gays cannot naturally have children unless they override their natural sexual preferences for procreation. It is not as simple as that though because there is some indication that women who have kids later in life or have lots of kids (and the youngest later in life), there is greater association of homosexuality in those male offspring because there is a testosterone deficiency in the "bath" that the fetus is immersed in during incubation. Also happens a lot with maternal male twins, with one twin having less testosterone. If you go to his Insomnia stream last Thursday, he talks about how social mores have really slipped drastically in the past 30 years, as we went from "don't say gay" to Blues Clues Drag Queen Singing, Drag Queen Story Hour etc.

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    He does rely on anecdotal evidence but also expresses doubt how a gay gene would carry since gays cannot naturally have children unless they override their natural sexual preferences for procreation.

    There's a plausible genetic explanation, and for "simply gay" it's pretty straightforward: the same gene that would cause men to be strongly attracted to men would also cause women to be strongly attracted to men - and this causes enough of a boost to the number of children a woman has for that gene to persist.

    [–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I do think there's evidence of the link but let's assume there isn't. There's another issue here. Taking the 'L' as you put it on the LGBT issue means there will be no opposition and it will continue to grow and be normalized. Our elites don't want gays they want the treadmill to Brave New World type open families and extreme sexual freedom. Normalized LGBT lifestyles does lower birthrates and it spreads a general hedonism that leads to a loosening and then abolition of laws around pedophilia. LGBT is just a Fabian society technique to get us to depopulate and engage in rampant Sodomy of all types.

    [–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

    "Not saying it leads to the healthiest of lifestyles, but so far I've seen little evidence that homosexuality is acquired or associated with pedophilia."

    I've seen much evidence it is which manifests itself in the veneration of the 'twink' aesthetic and just the sheer amount of cases you see of homosexuals who end up engaging in acts with boys in the 13-15 year age but I won't say that absolutely proves the link but I think it's there. Also as others have pointed out 'Queer Theory' really is just synonymous with pedophilia. The two have never been separate and all the leading figures have made arguments in favour of incest, pederasty etc.

    Here's one interesting statistic though that I find good data that homosexuals are committing pedophilia at a much higher rate. In Australia according to our own health data around 1.45 million people report having been sexually abused as children with around two thirds being girls and around 450,000 being boys. These numbers have been consistent over a couple of decades as well. So let's be generous and say that homosexuals are 2 percent of the population rather than 1. That means that statistically there are probably around 500,000 homosexuals in Australia but they're not all men of course. So we've got a population that is committing these crimes at a staggering rate. 13 do 50 is nothing we're talking 1 percent doing 30 here.

    Now this is just back of the napkin type stuff so feel free to shred me but it looks like they commit pederasty at a pretty astonishing rate compared to the rest of the population just going by those numbers.

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    So let's be generous and say that homosexuals are 2 percent of the population rather than 1.

    Exclusive homosexuality is a fairly stable two percent in both men and women. The number of those with any level of same-sex attraction is much higher.

    [–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Yep. Whatever the number is it's still the case that they seem to be committing these crimes at a much higher rate than the general population.

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    In Australia according to our own health data around 1.45 million people report having been sexually abused as children with around two thirds being girls and around 450,000 being boys.

    I can't find the source for this claim. These figures seem to line up with the number of Australians that claim to have experienced "sexual assault" after the age of 15 (including adulthood). And in any case, why do we assume that the perpetrators are men here? In terms of actual behavior, women and men probably commit these sorts of crimes at similar levels - but women tend to get away with a lot more. That's true in general, but especially here.

    [–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    http://www.ecav.health.nsw.gov.au/uploads/60438/ufiles/publications_and_reports/Published_Reports/VAN_Resource/Factsheet_1_digital_2.pdf

    [–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    And in any case, why do we assume that the perpetrators are men here?

    Because they nearly always are.

    In terms of actual behavior, women and men probably perpetrate these sorts of crimes at similar levels - but women tend to get away with a lot more.

    Gonna need something to back that one up. In terms of physical abuse I think this is definitely true but I've actually never even heard anyone claim no matter their political inclination that women are as likely to sexually abuse children as men.

    [–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    These figures seem to line up with the number of Australians that claim to have experienced "sexual assault" after the age of 15 (including adulthood).

    Exactly which is a good indication that the pattern of overrepresentation in sexual violence and abuse persists and that homosexuals as well as being overrepresented in child sexual abuse are equally as overrepresented in teen and adult sexual abuse given that in the stats I posted below only half of the male victims of adult sexual abuse were abused by women. 1 percent do 50.

    [–]Girondin 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    First of all how many people have argued this in the dissident right? I have not seen this on amren, counter-currents (you can argue its a conflict of interest) or occidental-observer, Unless you are talking about Andrew Anglin and some twitter ppl we are not taking the L.

    It is also not a unreasonable hypothesis, It is a fact that LGBT have higher rates of child abuse and higher rates of being sexual abusers. (see some research here their is a minor effect in the literature.)