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[–]SoylentCapitalist 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

If you say something over and over again it still doesn't make it true. Jews created their religion so they could call themselves 'chosen people' and trying to appropriate such nonsense is cringeworthy IMO.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I don't understand your position and would love you to clarify. Jews have undoubtedly created religions, ideologies and ways of life that are intensely ethnocentric -- we're all fans of KMac's trilogy surely. Christianity was the exception to the creation of ideas of the ancient Judeans/Israelites ideas though given it was universal though in my opinion not egalitarian -- we can debate that later. No orthodox interpretation until the Protestant revolution from my understanding considered 'Jews' themselves the Chosen and regularly maintained that the people of Christ, those who believe in him, are the people of Salvation. I.E the Israelites or Chosen. In fact Christ himself rebukes the Pharisees -- the progenitors of Judaism -- for telling Him that salvation comes through ancestry alone and responds that belief is salvation in the book of John which is firmly opposed to Judaism and contains some of the most 'anti-Semitic' statements imaginable. In other words Christ himself and nearly all of the people who followed him specifically said that you are not chosen just because you're related to Aaron. In fact in all of world history the most Counter-Semitic force -- despite its flaws -- has been the Catholic and Orthodox Churches.

So to your point why did the Jews create a religion so hostile to them and their interests?

[–]SoylentCapitalist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

So to your point why did the Jews create a religion so hostile to them and their interests?

Convincing your entire race that you're God's chosen people has a fairly obvious morale boost. Even if unforeseen consequences lead to a divergent faction against them. I'm under the impression Jews wrote the old testament in their favor. As another poster pointed out there seems to be opposing views from the old testament and new. Yet still, correct me if I'm wrong, many Christians still follow the old testament.

No orthodox interpretation until the Protestant revolution from my understanding considered 'Jews' themselves the Chosen and regularly maintained that the people of Christ, those who believe in him, are the people of Salvation.

From my research 'chosen people' comes from the Book of Deuteronomy which was composed in Jerusalem in the 7th century BCE. This belief could well have been common amongst them before this interpretation.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

And there's your problem. Jews didn't live in Jerusalem in the 7th century BC.
They were edomites that came to Judea around 150 bc, forced to live there by babylon or assyria or something like that, forgive my memory, and they were happy to do so and follow the judean laws because it was the land of their ancestors -- but here is the thing. Jacob is the promised son, Jacob is Israel, and Edomites aren't of Jacob.