What do you think about Hitler being a vegetarian?

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[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

If people have to be vegan in the future so our planet doesn't collapse, so be it.

If it's to save 4 billion Africans I would rather let the planet collapse.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

So do you despise being alive right now?

It's not a zero sum game where saving Earth must also mean politics ceases to exist. Even Hitler would have made the same observation.
If a population consumes more than what a continent can handle environmentally, it would not be tolerated by anyone in the future.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

If you want to save Earth, then reducing the population of Africa and Asia by 80% would make their populations on par with Europeans in numbers.
This would lower the carbon footprint

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Actually that's false. Most people in the third world don't have the same expensive luxuries like those living in the first. A Somali family living together in an unpowered hut is not causing more harm to the environment than Joe who gets in his gas guzzling SUV to pickup mail outside his house.

https://www.ucsusa.org/resources/each-countrys-share-co2-emissions

This is actually an argument for why third world immigration is bad. A Somali family who moves to the West will end up running electricity 24/7 to power their air conditioning or heating in winter time when they originally never had such luxury in their home country.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Reducing African and Asian population by 80% would reduce carbon footprints more than if the entire west went vegan. This is simply a fact.

Now I'm not against increased co2 because it is good for the planet, but I wouldn't mind working with leftists on the problem of reducing the population of Africa and Asia if they want to lower co2 levels.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Now I'm not against increased co2 because it is good for the planet

Until it ends up killing all sea life and we witness an eco-system collapse.

https://www.ucsusa.org/resources/co2-and-ocean-acidification

https://news.mongabay.com/2019/05/climate-change-is-causing-marine-species-to-disappear-from-their-habitat-twice-as-fast-as-land-animals/

Reducing African and Asian population by 80% would reduce carbon footprints more than if the entire west went vegan. This is simply a fact.

Ideally, all options need to be considered. The planet is almost locked for a 3 degree temperature increase and we're running out of time to prevent it from getting worse.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-06-09/g-7-stock-markets-imply-catastrophic-global-warming-of-3-c

There's just no "choosing". We should have been acting since the 1960s but Politicians continue to do very little about protecting the environment.