What do you think about Hitler being a vegetarian?

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[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

Unironically, it was very visionary and true to the principles of respecting Earth.

As much as I love meat, I recognize there's a huge environmental impact that overconsumption brings. Especially after reading an article on Brazil's deforestation is being fueled by China's rising demands for more Cattle to be grown there.

https://www.greenqueen.com.hk/china-is-increasing-imports-of-brazilian-beef-and-the-amazon-rainforest-is-paying-the-price-for-it/

If people have to be vegan in the future so our planet doesn't collapse, so be it.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

If people have to be vegan in the future so our planet doesn't collapse, so be it.

If it's to save 4 billion Africans I would rather let the planet collapse.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

So do you despise being alive right now?

It's not a zero sum game where saving Earth must also mean politics ceases to exist. Even Hitler would have made the same observation.
If a population consumes more than what a continent can handle environmentally, it would not be tolerated by anyone in the future.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

So do you despise being alive right now?

In a certain way, yes. I absolutely hate the contemporary world. I'm so disgusted by it. If I didn't have a healthy and happy personal life I would be going insane. I can understand how less fortunate white people just snap one day and descend into a nihilistic death spiral. I don't blame them.

It's not a zero sum game where saving Earth must also mean politics ceases to exist. Even Hitler would have made the same observation. A population consuming more than what a continent can handle environmentally would not be tolerated by anyone in the future.

We live in a radically different world from the one Hitler lived in.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Every organism has a desire to live. Trashing your own planet to "own" the Africans is just edgy teenager think.

Nobody says we can't create a better world [politically] when we solve the environment question. If anything, you're ignoring all the other scientific revolutions that can still exist. Gene editing, Space Race, Artificial Intelligence etc all can help make future societies sustainable. There's always potential for life to go on but it requires not killing ourselves in an unnecessary eco-apocalypse.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

If you want to save Earth, then reducing the population of Africa and Asia by 80% would make their populations on par with Europeans in numbers.
This would lower the carbon footprint

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Actually that's false. Most people in the third world don't have the same expensive luxuries like those living in the first. A Somali family living together in an unpowered hut is not causing more harm to the environment than Joe who gets in his gas guzzling SUV to pickup mail outside his house.

https://www.ucsusa.org/resources/each-countrys-share-co2-emissions

This is actually an argument for why third world immigration is bad. A Somali family who moves to the West will end up running electricity 24/7 to power their air conditioning or heating in winter time when they originally never had such luxury in their home country.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Reducing African and Asian population by 80% would reduce carbon footprints more than if the entire west went vegan. This is simply a fact.

Now I'm not against increased co2 because it is good for the planet, but I wouldn't mind working with leftists on the problem of reducing the population of Africa and Asia if they want to lower co2 levels.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Now I'm not against increased co2 because it is good for the planet

Until it ends up killing all sea life and we witness an eco-system collapse.

https://www.ucsusa.org/resources/co2-and-ocean-acidification

https://news.mongabay.com/2019/05/climate-change-is-causing-marine-species-to-disappear-from-their-habitat-twice-as-fast-as-land-animals/

Reducing African and Asian population by 80% would reduce carbon footprints more than if the entire west went vegan. This is simply a fact.

Ideally, all options need to be considered. The planet is almost locked for a 3 degree temperature increase and we're running out of time to prevent it from getting worse.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-06-09/g-7-stock-markets-imply-catastrophic-global-warming-of-3-c

There's just no "choosing". We should have been acting since the 1960s but Politicians continue to do very little about protecting the environment.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If people have to be vegan in the future so our planet doesn't collapse, so be it.

What does this have to do with Hitler? Hitler didn't support veganism so africans and chinese could overpopulate.

[–]Nasser 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Cows are parasites.

[–]Node 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

That's just the overpopulation problem, which underlies almost every issue facing our species.

[–]Node 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Reply to the deleted comment, which compared the diets of India (veggie) vs China (meat).

India Average IQ - 81

China Average IQ - 104

I suspect it's mostly genetic, but is there a diet factor in that dramatic difference? The vegetarian population is literally retarded at an 81 IQ, and the meat eaters are above average at an IQ of 104. Not a great look for meat avoiders.

Eating meat would present zero problems with a sustainable population level. After meat, it would be something else, then something else after that. We're stripping our planet of resources at 2 to 4 times the replacement rate, and reducing our quality of life at the same time. A very large number of people need to go, one way or another. Would be ironic if the vax 'saved us' by killing off the excess.