London, Paris minority white

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So, I look at cities like London and Paris where whites are already a minority and I don't understand the behavior of whites living there.

Do they realize what's going on, do they realize that the same will eventually happen to the rest of the country?

Do they move towards our views or did they already surrender?

Are they so brainwashed that they cannot realize what's going on?

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[–]Bagarmoossen 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

Most whites living in these urban centers are upper-middle class. Paris is very segregated, so most Frenchmen there don't have to really be in contact with the diversity on their daily lives. They live in rich, peaceful white-majority areas, and diversity to them amounts to seeing blacks and moslems walking down the road or being served kebab by some funny old turk. So when they think of diversity they genuinely believe there is "nothing wrong with it". If their children were suddenly forced to go to school with the lowest of the low the reactions would change dramatically.

Working-class whites living in occupied areas on the other hand tend to polarize on two extremes: either being the most redpilled of all or completely sinking into nihilism and self-destructive behavior, integrating themselves into ghetto culture. I think most fall on the former category. Don't underestimate the redpilling potential of being forced to live anywhere where non-whites (especially blacks) exist in significant numbers.

[–]arainynightinskyrim[S] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

Well that's depressing, how do we win if our people keep running away and refuse to accept reality?

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's a good question.

[–]Fitter_HappierWhite Nationalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

The only way is do what Hitler did, kick the fucking Jews out of the media and academia where they're poisoning the minds of the public. Women, children and weak men want to appear "good" so they comply with the "moral" messaging that diversity good and noble, immigration is enriching, nationalism is evil (except for Jews), etc. The few men and fewer women that call bullshit are demonized, shunned, or actually jailed in much of the EU. What the fuck else can we do but take back the media and academia and shut their lying mouths. I hate to sound like a stereotypical neo nazi but AFAIK, Hitler was the only one to go right at the source of the problem, Jews in the media. There are NO, zero, nada remotely pro-White major media sources. There's no congressional-White-caucus even though is practically one for every other group, in a country built by and for Whites and Whites are STILL the vast majority of voters. WTF?

[–]arainynightinskyrim[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

The problem is not only jews, there's also all the whites that they have brainwashed and all their non white golems.

How do you think the things are going overall for us? Is it better than 10 years ago or worse in terms of support for our cause?

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

The problem is not only jews

Yes it is. Our white brothers and sisters might be brainwashed but they are not a problem. Their ideas are.

Some enemies you need to part ways with physically, while others aren't your enemies, but they just think that you are theirs.

It is going to be better in 10 years.

[–]arainynightinskyrim[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

The problem is that jews already ingrained those ideas in the system, their golems will continue their legacy for them.

I honestly wish it's going to get better in a decade but I honestly doubt it, I don't see any signs of things changing right now.

[–]Fitter_HappierWhite Nationalist 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

also all the whites that they have brainwashed and all their non white golems

you are right

[–]arainynightinskyrim[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Another problem is that people have to be made aware of them even minimally before trying anything, and let's not forget about the US, if an European country tried something right now it will become Yugoslavia overnight, probably even worse.

Are you positive towards the future?

[–]arainynightinskyrim[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't know France, but in the US there's a term called white flight, it indicates whites moving away whenever non whites move in. It seems that there's an internal fight, brainwashing vs instinct and it looks like that instinct always wins in these situations, the declare themselves liberal but don't want to live with non whites. How do you see our situation in France, are people moving in the right direction towards us? How are the views of the french compared to 10 years ago?

[–]Jacinda 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

Auckland is now 43 percent European (People think this is a good thing)

Referencing the Chinese immigration, wags have started calling the country New Xi-Land

[–]arainynightinskyrim[S] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

What percentage of whites people in your opinion think it's a good thing and what are wags?

[–]Node 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The google apparently hasn't heard of this term, but a 'wag' used to be a person who commented or opined on some topic. Ah, here we go on a dictionary site:

A humorous or droll person; a wit.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Do they realize what's going on,

In my experience in a similar situation (city that flipped majority to minority white in a short time) most whites are unaware.

do they realize that the same will eventually happen to the rest of the country

They are doubly unaware of this.

Do they move towards our views

They would if they had more interaction with people like us. However, white social groups in general have been on a steep decline since the 70s. White trusted peer groups and white families are shrinking in size. This reduces the likely hood that they will find a genuine dissident to help them understand what is going on.

or did they already surrender?

Surrender isn't the right term. Most are despondent and feel like society isn't working right but they can't quite put their finger on why or they attempt to put the blame where the media wants them to blame (the opposing mainstream political party).

Are they so brainwashed that they cannot realize what's going on?

Yes. But shame and social stigma in addition to breaking them away from normie media can undo the brainwashing given enough time. Some whites are a lost cause but most whites are salvageable under the right circumstances. They are whites after all: they can be reasoned with if given the right data and the right leadership.

[–]arainynightinskyrim[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

How do you explain things like white flight? It looks that they leave neighbourhoods immediatly after any sign of diversity shows up, it looks like some sort of double think, they vote it, they support it, but run away from it. How do you see things in america now compared to 10/15 years ago? Do you think our people are moving in the right direction towards our views?

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

How do you explain things like white flight?

The social programing is quite strong with many whites. When they leave a bad area that got bad because of blacks or hispanics they don't blame it on the genetics of the non whites. It's just a 'mismanaged' area. They might have cognitive dissonance but don't make have the lightbulb moment that people are just different. They know deep down that they would be ostracized for race realism so they don't let their internal identity travel to that realm.

Whites experience cognitive dissonance use a a lot of surrogates like 'politicians' 'lack of faith' or as I mentioned in my first comment they blame the other political party. If you're a race realism denier on the left you blame decades of economic greed and systemic racism from republicans. For leftist Republicans are just the old klan but hiding it very skillfully. If you're a race realism denier on the right you blame the leftist 'culture' 'lack of god' 'corrupt dem politicians' and of course 'they took our jobs!'. Race deniers on the right love to explain away race realism by just saying the blacks don't have good paying jobs and that's why they act the way they act. Or another trope: 'blacks don't have good father figures!' So there are a lot of fake justifications for keeping kosher. Most of all though people just are afraid of being called racist. White people are controlled in the west by the threat of being called a racist. It's nearly a death sentence. You lose your job, your friends, and frequently your spouse and kids. You can even get in legal trouble because some SJW starts going after you and it's easy to find a law you've broken because the legal system is corrupt and over written.

So this has the effect of turning the country into overly socialize people always afraid of offending. Right wingers who are more resiliant simply turn inward and don't socialize as much because they can't or won't learn all the new news speak that's required to function in big cities and large companies.

How do you see things in america now compared to 10/15 years ago?

It's been a parabolic curve of degeneracy, nihilism and confusion. The biggest decline is communication between people on the left and right. Even families are breaking up over these harsh political divisions. My leftist family member talk about right wingers (some who are blood) like they are cartoonish nazis ready to start shooting people. The media gaslighting is off the charts. I also see a big drop in productivity of people under 35 (and who can blame them?). Of course the general health of the nation has declined quite a bit as well in the last 15 years. Not just physical but emotional, and spiritual health.

Do you think our people are moving in the right direction towards our views?

Yes but we will probably need a significant event to move enough of them to make a real difference in the form of a third party and boycott group. I think that the dissident right outreach now is critical because there will come a time where we can't really communicate at all. That's why I do what I do. I truly believe oligarchs and their minions will start rounding us up in camps and or increasing political mass arrests like the one after January 6th. Of course they will blame all that on the dissidents getting violent but we all know that's just not the case. If dissidents don't go along with the plan their refusal will be framed as violence. We already see this priming with demonizing anti vaxxers and red flag laws related to guns.

It's a clusterfuck to say the least.

[–]arainynightinskyrim[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

It seems that whites instinctively still retain some sort of tribalism when they leave diverse areas and move towards ethnically pure areas, the question is, will this instinct prevail over the social conditioning when things get worse?

Are your family members aware of your views? What do they think of you?

Wouldn't rounding up people in camps cause a violent backlash? I think it's unlikely that they'll try something like this so soon.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It seems that whites instinctively still retain some sort of tribalism

Absolutely, and people that do become dissidents are STRONG tribalists because whites have a strong respect for the public space and a sense working for the long term gain of the community. This powerful tribalism is just subverted.

Are your family members aware of your views? What do they think of you?

Not really. My family is shrinking as well. Father passed away and when I was younger my family moved away from my extended family in pursuit of money. I see this trait in whites a lot more than other races. I do slowly feed some pill to my younger brother. With my mother I only work with her on media and politicians. I try to tell her the both are corporate sponsored and have anterior motives. She can't comprehend regulatory capture and widescale corruption. She has the mindset that if we do have corruption it's just a few bad apples. In her mind the big problem is the evil republicans who horde all the money and keep the poor in perpetual poverty. Immigration isn't on her radar even though in her career she was heavily exposed to the affects of illegal immigration. My mother is capable of holding onto an ideal for decades even though it doesn't fit reality. She's a classic bleeding heart liberal and eats up everything the liberal media tell her about evil republican leaders. To this day she thinks that Trump personally went to the border and locked little mexican children up in cages. It's doesn't matter what I tell her to the contrary. She just blocks it out. It's insane.

Wouldn't rounding up people in camps cause a violent backlash?

You'd think but I'm not so sure. We have like 400 January 6th protesters still in jail without bail or a swift trial. Nobody seems to be rioting over them. Many dissidents have been jailed. I'm not sure if you heard about the white mail boxing club called RAM. Those goys are still in jail. I think that at a certain point it might cause backlash but we don't seem to be to that point. We are a boiling frog. There probably would be more dissident protests and boycotts if they didn't strategically block, infiltrate and false flag our real life groups. It's very difficult to form real organizations as a dissident. The government uses it's intelligence agencies and countless other agencies, media and thinktanks to break up our organizational efforts. The amount of money and man power working to keep whites from racializing and exercising political power as a racial group is frighteningly powerful.

I think it's unlikely that they'll try something like this so soon.

I mean they have enough control of the media that they could round up people and most of the public would be unaware. Only the independent media would report on it. It's pretty likely that they aren't going to round people up on political pretense it's going to be on 'gun charges', 'racism' charges, 'terrorist' charges. They are going to continue to chip away at fundamental rights of right wingers and continue to look the other way when leftists commit violence against us. Dissident whites (which is quickly become ALL right wing whites) will get caught in a spot where they have policed violence from non whites and leftists on one hand and prison for organizing and defending themselves on the other. When it hits that point it's going to be chaos.

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

I don't understand the behavior of whites living there

Most don't care because they can still afford a somewhat decent life in which there is minimal impact from the darkening, keeping it at nuisance level for now. Those that do care dont do anything about it because white activism is severely punished.

do they realize that the same will eventually happen to the rest of the country?

No

Do they move towards our views or did they already surrender?

The future is hard to predict, but case studies like South Africa and the U.S. 2020 suggest Whites will continue to surrender or actively promote their own demise.

Are they so brainwashed that they cannot realize what's going on?

Yes, many whites are brainwashed, possibly a majority. We don't know how many because "Realizing what's going on" is considered racism. The consequences for racism are very severe, so few people will admit their views. You might have luck with anonymous surveys, but even then, many whites would be paranoid about getting outed.

[–]arainynightinskyrim[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

How do you explain things like white flight? It looks that our people at least subconciously don't want do live around non whites and leave immediatly when diversity shows up.

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Many whites that white flight will never admit to themselves that negro and mexican fatigue caused it or they double down on lies and and blame the minority induced decay on factors external to the invading minority group.

[–]arainynightinskyrim[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

But the instinct is still there, if there wasn't they wouldn't move, tribalism even if subconsciously still remains.