There is a whole lot wrong with this thread. I am not sure to what degree young men who are "involuntary celibate" fit into the incel stereotype or participate in the boards.

There is so much cognitive dissonance and moral inconsistency, not sure where to begin. The first sorts that attack a man for being an incel "for whatever reason" are also the ones who express sympathy for trannies getting rejected by "super-straights" or overweight or less than model women not getting dates. But then they are completely heartless regarding young men who are similarly dejected.

By the way, I highly recommend a book called I am Charlotte Simmons. It is by no means perfect, has a number of imperfections, including the boomer author's poor grasp of technology even in the mid naughts when it was written.

That stated, the narrative follows a somehat bit of a caricature of a poor white appalachian girl who gets accepted into what is in effect Duke University under a pseudonym. She desires to be a serious student but is soon in shell-shock at how profligate and wanton the campus is. As part of that process, three suitors pursue her: a rich trendy frat boy, the only white starter on the basketball team who decides he wants to take classes that do not just pass him because he is on the basketball team that makes the school minions, and a half Jewish intellectual type who works for the student paper and somehow has to work part time.

The narrative breaks down the psychological process and how the laws of sexual attraction in females work. Without giving anything away, with Charlotte, as almost all women, how other women perceive her suitors is as critical or not more so than any other factor.

In this way, a young man can be handsome but if he is an outcast or likes weird music or does not fit in the girls clique, that will short circuit everything.

One thing that is going on is that even more whites are subject to the broken home phenomeon. Single moms do not work well for boys. This means more young men are disaffected.

And yes white women in this country are really fickle, at least most of the attractive ones are. Most pretty, middle and upper middle class white girls in this country listen to shitty rap music or garbage like Katy Perry, Ariane Grande, and will turn down and otherwise good looking guy because he is a loner, or her friends do not like him, etc.