Incels

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Incels, or involuntary celibates, is one of the main groups that gets associated with the Alt-Right. Do you have any thoughts on them, what should be done with them, and their sexual theories?

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[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Incels, or involuntary celibates, is one of the main groups that gets associated with the Alt-Right.

Mostly only in the minds of people who work in the press or at the ADL. I think the association is largely a lie.

My thoughts on them though are that I understand why anyone in this society would feel alienated and potentially angry at the other sex. Man or woman BTW. Our society fosters alienation and hostility between the sexes so it's no wonder so many are just left lonely, isolated and feeling like they will never find happiness and fulfilment in a relationship which is a really important thing for people to have.

Much like MRA's and PUA's I think their solution is wrong and anyone should channel that frustration into self improvement but I do sympathize with anyone who's feeling that way. We're at a pretty bleak period in Western civilization.

[–]Richard_Parker 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There is a whole lot wrong with this thread. I am not sure to what degree young men who are "involuntary celibate" fit into the incel stereotype or participate in the boards.

There is so much cognitive dissonance and moral inconsistency, not sure where to begin. The first sorts that attack a man for being an incel "for whatever reason" are also the ones who express sympathy for trannies getting rejected by "super-straights" or overweight or less than model women not getting dates. But then they are completely heartless regarding young men who are similarly dejected.

By the way, I highly recommend a book called I am Charlotte Simmons. It is by no means perfect, has a number of imperfections, including the boomer author's poor grasp of technology even in the mid naughts when it was written.

That stated, the narrative follows a somehat bit of a caricature of a poor white appalachian girl who gets accepted into what is in effect Duke University under a pseudonym. She desires to be a serious student but is soon in shell-shock at how profligate and wanton the campus is. As part of that process, three suitors pursue her: a rich trendy frat boy, the only white starter on the basketball team who decides he wants to take classes that do not just pass him because he is on the basketball team that makes the school minions, and a half Jewish intellectual type who works for the student paper and somehow has to work part time.

The narrative breaks down the psychological process and how the laws of sexual attraction in females work. Without giving anything away, with Charlotte, as almost all women, how other women perceive her suitors is as critical or not more so than any other factor.

In this way, a young man can be handsome but if he is an outcast or likes weird music or does not fit in the girls clique, that will short circuit everything.

One thing that is going on is that even more whites are subject to the broken home phenomeon. Single moms do not work well for boys. This means more young men are disaffected.

And yes white women in this country are really fickle, at least most of the attractive ones are. Most pretty, middle and upper middle class white girls in this country listen to shitty rap music or garbage like Katy Perry, Ariane Grande, and will turn down and otherwise good looking guy because he is a loner, or her friends do not like him, etc.

[–]aukofthecovenantWhite man with eyes 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

thoughts on them

Giant reservoir of false flag fodder.

It is well understood that larger populations of unmarried young men contribute to political violence and instability. Even at least one feminist woman academic gets it, though as far as I can tell she's only looked at non-Western countries (surprise!). Nevertheless, already at least one violent incident in the West had an incel tinge.

what should be done with them

Point them out as a warning to others?

their sexual theories

One often has to filter out a great deal of bitterness, but because people learn more from failure than success there is a kernel of truth to be gleaned there.

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Incels, or involuntary celibates, is one of the main groups that gets associated with the Alt-Right.

By who? Back on reddit, our subs always had minimal overlap with the incel subs. There's a stronger (but still limited) association with other parts of the "manosphere" like TRP and nofap.

Do you have any thoughts on them, what should be done with them, and their sexual theories?

Their analysis is largely correct, but their conclusions are flawed. The problem lies in their philosophical orientation - they are nihilistic hedonists. In a healthy society, where monogamy is enforced, many of these guys wouldn't have a problem. For the truly hopeless ones, I would propose legalizing voluntary euthanasia.

[–]weaselWhite Nationalist[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

By who? Back on reddit, our subs always had minimal overlap with the incel subs. There's a stronger (but still limited) association with other parts of the "manosphere" like TRP and nofap.

I said “associated” to emphasize that the correlation may or may not be true. As for “by who” if you search “Incels and the Alt-Right” you get quite a lot of results.

[–]Richard_Parker 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So right-winger Way of the World retweeted this whore who makes a "funny" about having an abortion. Her tiktok account is worth a look. She does a whole series rating men she has fucked (immediately after the fact). Has a couple bits about doing "hot girl shit."

The problem is there nothing extraordinary about her, except being white, not obese and being in her 20s. Kinda rough for being in her twenties. She has ridiculous eyebrows reminiscent of Eugene Levy. Five finger forehead. Even at 20 she has permanent dark circles under eyes, suggesting a touch of fetal alcohol syndrome. It looks like she has the little dent above her upper lip. She also does the entirely unoriginal bit about how "I don't fuck republicans," even with pimples on her chin.

https://www.tiktok.com/@elle_em_gee/video/6957180857471798534?lang=en&is_copy_url=1&is_from_webapp=v1

I know what people say about anecdotes but given that we see so much of this this is part of a greater societal expression. Virtue signalling, attention seeking by spewing out flat-out evil shit while constanly slogging down whine and frou-frou cocktails.

It does stand to reason, at least to me, that if this six, six plus on a good day, is prancing around like she is some hot babe (even bragging about doing "hot girl shit" when she is no Rachel Reynolds, or Margot Robbie (and it is not even close) that the real Freyja types are even more insufferable. Not all but a large enough number to make things difficult.

I will tell you, going through her tiktok page I felt real hatred for this woman, real contempt, in a way that I find difficult not to extrapolate to women at large.

For me it just comes to show that freedom is a bad thing. People should not be free to do whatever they want. Less freedom is more. As Hegel might have put it, but alas did not, we do not need freedom, but really only the freedom to do what is right.

[–]YJaewedwqewqClerical Fascist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Incels are the male equivalent of a feminist, and vice versa. Both are retards who have been conned by an infectious dogma to hate the other sex and blame all theri issues on the members thereof.

That being said, both have points: In the modern day, women have become easy and vapid as a trend, and Negrification of society at large has deeply affected teenagers/young people and especially women among them due to girls that age being extremely social ( a trait that is giddily exploited by Jews and their ilk) and introduced knuckledragger-tier ideas into their heads, including incredibly retarded ideas about relationships.

As for feminists/Femcels, they have a point in that modern men often trend towards being effeminate and self-entitled. Most incels are soyboys who can barely lift a carton of milk. Even though I'm not a Greek statue made flesh (yet, one can hope) I can easily tell you that a chinless, muscle-less, skinnyfat autist who makes no attempt at self-improvement or socialization is not attractive, never has been, and never will be.

Overall the solution is simple: Eliminate drugs (the influx of them, not amping up Reaganoid "muh war on drugz n sheeit!!!") and negro garbage "culture", and heavily promote healthy ideas about sexual matters, health, and philosophy in general until it's fixed.

[–]nordmannenLegionnaire 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Do you?

[–]weaselWhite Nationalist[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

I think that their analysis may be largely correct.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

So why don't you just state that in your post? Just say, "I think the alt right is full of incels. Do you agree?"

What should be done with them

Alt right incels or incels?

and their sexual theories?

I didn't know incels had agreed upon sexual theories. Being involuntarily celebate spans the political spectrum. I know that alt right folk (incel or not) have certain opinions on the modern sexual market place. Is that what you're asking? Could you please try to be a bit more direct in your questioning? You're not going to offend us.

Side note: the term incel only arose when some jew think tanks got together and tried to figure out a way to stop the rise of dissident politics online. 'Incel' is just dressed up way to insult someone and accuse them of being undesirable on the sexual market place, weak, unfuckable, etc. It's not a real term that emerged organically. It's politically manufactured to chase young white men back into the techno plantation. It's an elaborate ruse to try tell young men that if they attempt to engage politically they won't get laid and will die alone.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I didn't know incels had agreed upon sexual theories.

They actually have assembled quite a bit of good research.

https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill

This guy is particularly interesting with regard to this thing of ours.

https://incels.wiki/w/Otto_Weininger

[–]TheJamesRocket 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The incels stole most of their material from MGTOWs and MRAs.

When their subreddit got banned a few years ago, they migrated over to the MGTOW subreddit and picked up all their ideas and jargon. Then they went off into the dark corners of the internet.

[–]weaselWhite Nationalist[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

So why don't you just state that in your post? Just say, "I think the alt right is full of incels. Do you agree?"

I think you misunderstood. In the comment above, I was saying that I think that the analysis of incels is largely correct; I wasn't talking about the prevalence of incels in the Alt-Right whatsoever.

Alt right incels or incels?

Incels.

I didn't know incels had agreed upon sexual theories. Being involuntarily celebate spans the political spectrum. I know that alt right folk (incel or not) have certain opinions on the modern sexual market place. Is that what you're asking?

Yes, that is what I am referring to. Some examples would be the negligibility of personality when compared with the importance of looks, the 80/20 rule, etc.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Yes, that is what I am referring to. Some examples would be the negligibility of personality when compared with the importance of looks, the 80/20 rule, etc.

Well it seems like you're just asking about basic gender redpill theory stuff.

The biggest misconception about the redpill community is that it's just a bunch of guys who can't get laid. In fact I'd say there are very very few men in the redpill community (again speaking about the dating redpill) that don't get laid. Young men specifically seek out the redpill information because they want to get laid and even with some basics that are taught in the manosphere most men realize they can get laid quickly and after that they realize that pussy is a much lower priced commodity in 2021 then they previously realized. Young men are essentially trying to figure out what their absent and/or emasculated fathers would have taught them had they not been subverted.

The 80/20 rule is real but outdated. Women are more hypergamous than ever and it's more like the 95/5 rule (which is conversely why we are seeing more 'incels').

In general women are not as oriented on looks as men are. That top 5% of men have strength, social approval, money, status, etc. Female brains are wired that if they see a man in a power position they find his looks appealing as well. It all flows from his overall power position in relation to hers.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Young men are essentially trying to figure out what there absent and/or emasculated fathers would have taught them had they not been subverted.

Exactly this. That's where at a deeper level the real opposition comes from I think. Most or maybe all of the dissident thought nowadays is an attempt to reintroduce masculine modes of thought, analysis and behaviour on men and that stands in opposition to nearly the entire thrust of our elite culture over the last century. 'pcmasterrace' brings up Weininger who made the very astute point that Jews are essentially a feminine race on a deeper level. It's no surprise that people like us who apply a very masculine approach to politics and social issues would come to resent them. In fact it's inevitable if you're actually 'red pilled' because that means at a deeper level approaching issues from a masculine angle.

It's also unsurprising that a feminine race would come up with ideas like the F-Scale which if they're really boiled down to their basics simply amount to a removal of all male authority in society.

[–]Richard_Parker 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I would only add to your comment social proof. Adam Carolla commented on this in one of his first shows. He noted that if a good looking actor (he gives George Clooney, never really understood what made him such a sex symbol, so I would suggest Christian Bale) starts dating and fucking a woman who is reminiscent of Natalie from Facts of Life, that will not make her more attractive to guys. While being a c list celeberity and having some money helps, David Spade apparently is nailing all sorts of ten California "mattresses"" (ie aspiring models-actresses) because he fucked Heather Locklear. So even though the guy is a manlet, feminine etc, these women learn about Heather Locklear, and, combine that with some modicum of fame and money, they pull their ankles up to their shoulders--like the dumb fucking whores they are. His buddy Ray Oldhafer is another example. Ray lost his viriginity at 14, and despite doing all sorts of stupid, gross shit (including shitting in a pool) and never being all that successful, according to Carolla the guy always had women around him. That early success at 14 brings about further success. It helps the guy is a freakishly strong specimen. Carolla thinks he could have made it in the NFL if he applied himself, but the real factor is getting laid at 14. Nothing succeeds like success, and that is most true with women.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I did not know that about Spade. Doesn't surprise me though. That's the power of social proof. Spade is short. He's getting old as fuck. His career was short and since he's not making many more movies he's probably running out of money. Heck he's not even traditionally masculine looking. YET he drowns in pussy.

I once heard the phrase 'genetic celebrity' to define attractive women and I think that's a very apt description. If you are a women you can't easily fake youth and beauty. You've got it or you don't. With men our appeal to a large degree comes from what we can provide, the experiences we gather, the social circle a women will enter into if she fuck us, and of course the attention her new relationship brings. Our genetic fitness for a women is a lot more resource based. Of course we could get into the dual mating strategies women use but that's probably beyond the scope of this conversation and getting off topic.

Thanks for your examples though. All very good stuff.

[–]Richard_Parker 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Thank you for the compliment. Learned about David Spade when Carolla was still worth listening to. By the way, did you see my post above? I mention Tom Wolfe's last novel I am Charlotte Simmons. Social proof is the determining factor in all her choices. And the is opposed to the unique, brightitund of am outcast herself...

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

did you see my post above?

I did.

opposed to the unique, brightitund of am outcast herself...

It's seems like women seek out that which they lack. If they come from money they get obsessed with artsy types or athletic types. They seem less worried about if the guy has money. Fame is always valuable though. Women project themselves onto the man they desire. They see the world as a giant social approval pyramid and assume men think the same. They have a weak theory of mind and can personally empathize but cannot creatively empathize about strangers.

You didn't by any chance post over on r/theredpill back in the day? Seems like that sub had a few years where is was on fire. I think a lot of redpilled writers ventured into the alt right space. There's some crossover between the two camps that's for sure. BAP is absolutely my favorite gender redpill/fitness/white nationalism crossover writer. I think we need some more of these guys. I'd like to see Chateu Heartiste and Roosh get even more into pro white nationalist literature. There's a need for this type of writing.

[–]YORAMRWWhite nationalist, eugenicist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

They obviously shouldn't reproduce, since that would severely corrupt the gene pool, but on the other hand they deserve compassion because they were born into such a horrible existence against their will.

Furthermore, the idea that incels somehow belong in the same category as our movement is just laughable, since they're basically the 180 degree opposite of us; not only are they against eugenics. In fact, they think a girlfriend to reproduce with should be a human right for every man (because they can't get one based on their own merit and hate those who do get girlfriends out of envy, just like how non-whites hate whites out of envy for being smarter).

If the incels got their way and the concept of "state assigned girlfriends" would be implemented, it would be even more destructive than regular dysgenics, it would be panmixia (hyper dysgenics, one step away from actively selecting in favor of the most dysgenic people).

[–]asterias 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

If the incels got their way, women would have to find a man instead of fucking around, so there wouldn't be a (((need))) to import male "refugees". In other words, the current situation with incels doesn't offer any improvement for the gene pool, which is actually on a steady decline if you judge from current IQ statistics.

[–]YORAMRWWhite nationalist, eugenicist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

What's your point? That we somehow can't be against both dysgenics caused by non-white immigration, and dysgenics caused by the bottom of the barrel of our own people being artifically made to reproduce more (which seems to be what incels want)? People who care more about every man being able to get a wife to have kids with, than they care about preserving and improving the genetic quality of our people, aren't nationalists in my book, they're practically just like woke leftists who want to import more non-whites.

[–]asterias 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The way things work right now is not an indication of improving the genetic quality. Actually women are not after genetic quality but after living their sex and the city dream searching for "mr big". If a nationalist has to accept this, along with the sad reality of capitalist society, then those who benefit from this can keep their nation and try to improve its genetic quality instead of asking others to be cannon fodder. Especially in countries where you don't get employment (thus a chance to create a family) if you are not a supporter of the political system.

[–]blowininthewind 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They obviously shouldn't reproduce, since that would severely corrupt the gene pool

eh that's eugenic and thus fascist

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Incels aren't Alt-Right.

[–]asterias 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There are many "alt-righters" who are anti-incel and many incels who are Indian or even negroes. In the current climate of black and white, feminism is promoted as good along with a bunch of other topics, while everything else is labeled as "alt-right" (and before that it was labeled as "fascist").

The bottom line is that feminism has caused a number of problems that aren't specific to whites.