Podcast] Edward Dutton (Jolly Heretic) — Why we are on the brink of an overpopulation crisis, famine, and an unprecedented population collapse [26:33]

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[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Not really a fan of tying IQ to childbirth. Elon Musk has 7 kids. Bill Gates has 3 kids. Boris Johnson, at least before assuming Prime Minister, is known to have had a lot of illegitimate kids.

IMO, the problem is that governments stopped caring. There's a better correlation of Communist/Socialist countries who implement social policies that make rearing children easier, vs Capitalist Western governments where they take in immigrants instead to meet their population needs or they push Feminism to the extreme.

Perfect example of this. North Koreans and South Koreans are genetically closer to each other, yet North Koreans are still hovering at replacement rate, whereas South Korea has completely crashed.

http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20210505000263#:~:text=2021%20%2D%2010%3A01-,South%20Korea%20continues%20to%20have%20the%20lowest%20birthrate%20in%20the,from%20the%20UN%20Population%20Fund.

As for the overpopulation/famine problems, I do agree it's coming. But for reasons related to climate change and urban sprawl. If Humans continue to destroy valuable farmland and clean drinking water, then yeah, don't be surprised when there's no more food in the future because it's physically impossible to grow it.

[–]Jacinda[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Not really a fan of tying IQ to childbirth...

The argument is for an aggregate. It's a statistical phenomena which effects populations over time. There is clear evidence, for example that social patterns in pre-industrial Britian (in which the population was at its Malthusian limits) caused a the IQ of the entire population to increase. By contrast, people in Western countries are now becoming perceptibly stupider. Steve Sailer calls it Idiocracy Lite:

The irony is that white liberal elitists, who see themselves as better than the rest of America because (A) they loudly proclaim their belief in equality; and (B) they have above average IQs, are particularly likely to find disagreeable the new America that they have helped midwife through their support for open borders [Cont...]

Modern cities are IQ shredders. They suck in talented people from around the world who then fail to reproduce themselves.

I quite agree however that modern governments have given up on their own citizens preferring immigrants instead A New Zealand economist describes it as a cargo cult:

Croaking Cassandra — Large scale non-citizen immigration to New Zealand is making us all poorer

[We] should stop the mythmaking, and revert to being a normal country - one that makes its own prosperity, with its own people - rather than endlessly hankering (as our officials and ministers constantly seem to) after some better class of people over the water who, if only we could get them, in enough numbers, might finally reverse our century of decline. [Cont...]

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The argument is for aan aggregate. It's a statistical phenomena which effects populations over time. There is clear evidence, for example that social patterns in pre-industrial Britian (in which the population was at its Malthusian limits) caused a the IQ of the entire population to increase. By contrast, people in Western countries are now becoming perceptibly stupider. Steve Sailer calls it Idiocracy Lite:

We have a lot more people who graduated with degrees today vs the past. So much so, it's actually created its own burden on society. When the thought of an engineer or computer scientist is seen as being too in demand, as opposed to some rare novelty, companies feel little pressure to raise their wages, knowing how easily replaceable they are.

In an actual "dumbed down society" these people should be worshipped as gods, instead of being forced into homelessness or working at McDonalds because there's literally too many of them but not enough jobs to go around.

https://invisiblepeople.tv/how-highly-educated-people-end-up-on-the-streets/amp/

[–]Jacinda[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

One theory is that the over production of elites has lead to a high / low revolt against the middle which is contributing to our current social turmoil.

Ed Dutton is a science popularizer. He talks about the problem in a couple of podcasts where he introduces books he has written on the subject:

He also gave an hour long speech on the subject in Poland

He is a popularizer but his slightly eccentric podcasts draw on serious research.