Social engineering

submitted by DragonerneJesus is white from self.debatealtright

We need to start deconstructing the abstractions that are used to uphold this current power structure, because it is clearly very efficient and we should be able to re-implement the same once the current establishment is thrown off power in the next few decades.

We need to create the world in our own image.

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[–]NeoRail 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I am not sure what exactly you are referring to. Liberalism was comprehensively exposed and debunked centuries ago. The current social and technological aspects of politics have also been discussed at length by various thinkers - Century of the Self, "hyperreality", "society of spectacle" etc. etc.

It is impossible to copy the tools of liberalism, by the way. They only work for liberals, because they have been designed to support liberalism. Liberalism needs a passive, consumerist population, so its methods are geared towards that end. Other states would not benefit from a passive, consumerist population. I also do not see how the liberal system is efficient - you yourself expect it to collapse in a few decades, so it can't be that efficient.

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    [–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    That's why I like the appropriation of 'justice' that the NJP is trying to claw back from the jaws of the left. Of course it's originally our term and was the name of Father Coughlin's publication which focused on the JQ, non-interventionism and populist/distributist economics.

    As simplistic as it sounds a lot of people are motivated by the most superficial things and we need to appropriate them. What person in good conscience could say they were against the idea of 'justice'? This is what Conservatives get wrong as well because they try to turn 'SJW' just into an insult but then the left can just turn around and say 'What are you against social justice or something? What kind of monster are you?' and that simple little game is enough to win the argument for them.

    [–]NeoRail 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    This is what Conservatives get wrong as well because they try to turn 'SJW' just into an insult but then the left can just turn around and say 'What are you against social justice or something? What kind of monster are you?' and that simple little game is enough to win the argument for them.

    No it isn't. "SJWs" are so broadly unpopular today that it's become boring and mainstream to criticise them.

    [–]NeoRail 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    This type of trick can never work on terms that are already political.

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      [–]NeoRail 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      Do you have any idea how much effort it would take to attempt a mass-level, full time larp like this? You would need the fake progressive to make up at least 30% of all progressives and you would need these people to spend tremendous amounts of time and effort doing useless things and pretending to be something they oppose every day. Then you would also need a high enough level of organisation to get all of these people to change over to a new label once their job is done.

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        [–]NeoRail 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        A very small number of people ('Russian bots', 'Macedonians', etc.) doing a similar kind of 'larp' are believed by many millions to have effectively put Trump in the White House. It will become exceedingly easier for ever smaller, more dedicated groups of people to affect ever larger groups of people.

        This is a meme spread by the mainstream media, it has nothing to do with the topic of our conversation. With a monopoly on the flow of information, you can make anyone believe anything.

        Non-Leftists already pretend that they are something that they oppose every day.

        There is a difference between staying silent because you don't want to bother and literally larping as a woke progressive. Go attend a meeting organised by your local DSA chapter and tell me if you still feel any enthusiasm about this idea.

        [–]SoylentCapitalist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

        Do you think this is a place that has influence to change anything? I enjoy the discussions here but I find posts like these humorous.

        [–]DragonerneJesus is white[S] 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

        Yes, definitely. This is the brain of the movement.

        [–]SoylentCapitalist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        There are probably irl organizations that are the real brain of your movement.