Is the Pfizer COVID vaccine safe?

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[–]TheJamesRocket 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

u/radicalcentrist You've made almost 40 replies in this thread alone. Why are you shilling so hard for the vaccines?

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Because I'm one of the "essential workers" forced to work during this pandemic, and seeing rampant denial and insanity from both sides (Far-left & Far-right) is honestly the worst thing I've seen in human history.

There is room to be skeptical about a lot of things. Hell, I love the discussions that make fun of Israel and criticize them for their evils.

But the crusade being lead against medical vaccines is pure treachery. People are seriously tired and want life to go back to normal. Now that the technology is staring us in the face, there are those who think leading a resistance makes them a hero instead of a comic book villain.

We need to have higher standards than this. Again, the Far-Left gets mocked all the time for dismissing race science with concrete evidence. Yet it's completely acceptable to believes vaccines are going to make us all slaves or ruin our health? Come on, that's just wrong.

Edit: And remember, it's not about being healthy and believing the virus wont kill you. The biggest damage was always letting the virus spread around like wildfire instead of trying to contain it. Anyone could get Covid and then spread it to their classroom or work environment, which now ends up screwing over hundreds of people instead of just you. It's actually ironic that all the arguments I'm making ARE in favor of nationalism.

It's not cool to let your nation get sick and die of viruses. It's even worse to pretend that intentionally killing your neighbor because you refuse to wear a mask is even better. Everyone has a responsibility to not go around and make the world more miserable. Otherwise, this pandemic will never end and society continues to rot even further.

[–]TheJamesRocket 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I am seriously considering the possibility that you may be a shill. Your actions on this thread are not normal. No one makes 40 replys (some of them quite long) to a single thread in the span of a few hours. You are either in a state of nervous paranoia, or a shill. Your responses show me that you have abandoned the use of logic and reason.

 

The coronavirus pandemic is one of the greatest medical hoaxs in human history. Governments around the world have put their countrys into some form of lockdown for a time period that now exceeds one year, in order to protect their people from a virus that has a survival rate of 99%. These lockdowns inflicted serious economic setbacks on the countrys that imposed them, and did far more damage to the people than the virus did. The number of deaths from suicide, drug overdoses, and untreated medical emergencys have skyrocketed. But you don't care about any of that. You remain in the thrall of the fictitious media narrative about a doomsday virus that will destroy humanity.

NONE of the solutions promoted by the government were shown to be effective in limiting the pandemic. Lockdowns didn't stop it: At best, they merely slowed it. Social distancing was useless. Contact tracing was useless. Masks had little or no effect. And now, we have before us the question of the experimental vaccines that were rushed into mass production. There are different vaccines that were produced by different companys. They have varying rates of effectiveness in inoculating the patient from infection. Some of them come with serious side effects, which are not discussed by the media.

The vaccines are being aggressively pushed by the government, to the point that they seek universal vaccination of the entire population. They not only want healthy young adults to take the vaccine, they even want children to get vaccinated! Children are the lowest risk demographic of all, there is absolutely no reason for them to be forced into this. It isn't even clear whether or not they can be infected by the coronavirus at all. The government is seriously considering the use of vaccine passports, which are a form of medical tyranny. They want to put severe restrictions on those who refuse the vaccine.

Remember, the lockdowns were originally imposed out of a fear of hospitals being overwhelmed by patients sick with the virus. That scenario never even came close to happening though, not even during the peak of the virus pandemic. And yet despite that, governments continue to impose lockdowns on their countrys, even though there is no longer a reason to do so. They have used psychological conditioning and catchphrases like 'flatten the curve' 'stop the spread' 'maintain social distance' in order to brainwash gullible people into compliance.

 

For these reasons, I believe you are either a shill, or a paranoid moron.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

The coronavirus pandemic is one of the greatest medical hoaxs in human history. Governments around the world have put their countrys into some form of lockdown for a time period that now exceeds one year, in order to protect their people from a virus that has a survival rate of 99%. These lockdowns inflicted serious economic setbacks on the countrys that imposed them, and did far more damage to the people than the virus did.

None of this comes without fault of the people who ignored these rules. Getting on airplanes and flying around for non-essential reasons, hosting illegal house parties that crammed 100+ or more people inside, showing up to work sick intentionally instead of isolating. The sad reality is we definitely could have saved those people who ended up dead from suicide and drug overdose, but running around screaming "Covid doesn't matter" was the absolute worst message to send and is still the reason we haven't pulled through this mess yet.

The vaccines are being aggressively pushed by the government, to the point that they seek universal vaccination of the entire population. They not only want healthy young adults to take the vaccine, they even want children to get vaccinated! Children are the lowest risk demographic of all, there is absolutely no reason for them to be forced into this. It isn't even clear whether or not they can be infected by the coronavirus at all. The government is seriously considering the use of vaccine passports, which are a form of medical tyranny. They want to put severe restrictions on those who refuse the vaccine.

Once again, the denial of the Covid pandemic and the fight against vaccines are going to be looked upon as the same people who preached Creationism or Flat Earth. It's the governments job to make sure society is functioning and healthy. The lack of rules and complete anarchy in these situations will only end up killing more people because certain individuals refuse to believe how entering a crowded supermarket and getting everyone sick is a bigger crime against humanity than just being told to wear a mask and do your shopping.

There really shouldn't be a debate or conspiracy that wanting a healthier society is not a bad thing. I only want people vaccinated because I do care about your safety. I don't want you to take the chance and end up in the hospital breathing from an oxygen tube because you did end up like the unlucky ones who are dying of Covid. You can take the fight up against the government or the Elites, after society has eliminated Covid. But prolonging the virus even longer, especially now that mutated variants have entered our borders and are even more contagious/lethal is the path of supervillains. I don't want to get sick just doing my job. Be patient and life will eventually go back to normal for everyone.

[–]TheJamesRocket 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Nope, we're not having this conversation. You have obviously been 100% swindled by the coronavirus hoax. You accept the official story without any reservations at all. You have lost the ability to think rationally about this subject, and are reduced to spouting talking points and platitudes.

Once again, the denial of the Covid pandemic and the fight against vaccines are going to be looked upon as the same people who preached Creationism or Flat Earth.

Look at the choice of words you use. 'Covid denial' is a favorite buzzword of those who support the coronavirus hoax, with its attendant medical tyranny. Even worse, you compare corona skeptics to flat earthers and creationists in an attempt to stigmatise them. That is exactly what a shill would do. 'Don't ask questions, just do as your told!'

There really shouldn't be a debate or conspiracy that wanting a healthier society is not a bad thing.

HeAlThIEr soCIeTy.

LOL. You support authoritarian lockdowns that have caused thousands of small companys to go out of business, and have resulted in countless numbers of people dying from suicide, drug overdoses, and untreated medical emergencys. All in order to combat a virus that has a 99% survival rate. Which mainly targets the old and sick. Your position is contradictory.

You can take the fight up against the government or the Elites, after society has eliminated Covid.

You imbecile. The coronavirus hoax is the exact mechanism the elites will use to solidfy their control over society. Its all part of the great reset. And you stupidly argue that we should allow them to complete their plans. That would be the worst strategy imaginable. If the elites pull off the great rest, then it will be almost impossible to resist them afterwards.

And again, thats ignoring the fact that the pandemic itself is a hoax. You are no longer in a position to fight the elites, because they have already succeeded in taking control of your mind. You might fancy yourself as an independent thinker who opposes tyrants, but you have swallowed their corona hoax whole.

But the crusade being lead against medical vaccines is pure treachery. People are seriously tired and want life to go back to normal.

You have accepted the false dichotomy imposed by the government, which can be summarized thus: 1) Either everyone gets vaccinated or 2) Everyone stays in lockdown.

They dangle the promise of salvation before your nose like a carrot, telling you that normality will only return when you obediently follow orders. Why would you accept their false premise? Do you want to be a slave?

You have free choice, so start exercising it. If people had stood up en masse to protest the lockdowns, the government would have backed down. But instead they cowered like sheep, and they are now locked in their homes.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Nope, we're not having this conversation. You have obviously been 100% swindled by the coronavirus hoax. You accept the official story without any reservations at all. You have lost the ability to think rationally about this subject, and are reduced to spouting talking points and platitudes.

It's pretty hard to accept any other official story that doesn't make reference to a global virus whose consequences are in fact dire to anyone who is forced to interact with other people on a daily basis. Calling this a hoax is downright insulting, when many jobs right now involve sacrificing our health and safety in order to make sure your local supermarket still gets stocked with food, or that nurses and doctors can successfully look after the Elderly when no one else wants to.

Look at the choice of words you use. 'Covid denial' is a favorite buzzword of those who support the coronavirus hoax, with its attendant medical tyranny. Even worse, you compare corona skeptics to flat earthers and creationists in an attempt to stigmatise them. That is exactly what a shill would do. 'Don't ask questions, just do as your told!'

What do you have to be skeptical of? And more importantly, why do you want to get more people killed in the pursuit of all of this? If you want to ask questions, go ahead. But it's the act of denial and refusing to follow all recommended safety measures that makes you a villain right now. Real lives are at stake by pretending nothing at all matters. Lives that can't come back because reckless actions sent them to the hospital, or got them fired from work because businesses refuse to carry anymore burdens.

HeAlThIEr soCIeTy. LOL. You support authoritarian lockdowns that have caused thousands of small companys to go out of business, and have resulted in countless numbers of people dying from suicide, drug overdoses, and untreated medical emergencys. All in order to combat a virus that has a 99% survival rate. Which mainly targets the old and sick. Your position is contradictory.

Look at the reasons for why lockdowns happen at all. People refused to stay home but instead decide to congregate and create more superspreader events. It's absolutely terrible to see many businesses get lost in this process but it's all based on cause and effect. By flaunting the rules and trying to convince other people to break them, you've actually created a bigger problem. That's why I'm baffled by the absolute insanity of calling it a hoax when the consequences are straight up blunt and felt by the public already. Do your part to limit contact with other people and the lockdowns would have ended far more sooner with far more businesses saved. That's not a hard choice at all. It all required patience.

You imbecile. The coronavirus hoax is the exact mechanism the elites will use to solidfy their control over society. Its all part of the great reset. And you stupidly argue that we should allow them to complete their plans. That would be the worst strategy imaginable. If the elites pull off the great rest, then it will be almost impossible to resist them afterwards. And again, thats ignoring the fact that the pandemic itself is a hoax. You are no longer in a position to fight the elites, because they have already succeeded in taking control of your mind. You might fancy yourself as an independent thinker who opposes tyrants, but you have swallowed their corona hoax whole.

You picked the worst time to try something like this. This is not how you fight the Elites, who already live in Ivory Towers and had the best medical treatment available to them from day one. You are literally encouraging all the middle and working-class people to commit suicide by not wearing a mask and coming into constant contact with each other. Repeating this foolish behavior month after month had ZERO EFFECT on making the Elites somehow fearful or less powerful. The Elites already have all the money they need and health experts on hand to survive any pandemic. The same can't be said for the guy who washes dishes for a living, or is a schoolteacher responsible for looking after your kids. These are your normal people and comrades on the ground you are willing to sacrifice in a failed crossfire exchange with the 1%.

You have accepted the false dichotomy imposed by the government, which can be summarized thus: 1) Either everyone gets vaccinated or 2) Everyone stays in lockdown. They dangle the promise of salvation before your nose like a carrot, telling you that normality will only return when you obediently follow orders. Why would you accept their false premise? Do you want to be a slave? You have free choice, so start exercising it. If people had stood up en masse to protest the lockdowns, the government would have backed down. But instead they cowered like sheep, and they are now locked in their homes.

I already explained why anarchy in a health crisis is dangerous. Having no rules at all is exactly how we see modern societies collapse and bodycounts begin to skyrocket. We can still have some control over this situation without turning into North Korea or China. Again, countries like Australia and New Zealand are great examples of what this balance looked like. Low deaths, low covid cases, with society actually beginning to open up again because it's proven to be safe.

There is no sense in trying to rush this because it only resets every progress we made, forcing us to start over. And having to reset time and time again because the anti-vaxxers keep claiming none of this is real is what creates fatigue amongst all the essential workers who want this pandemic to be done.

[–]TheJamesRocket 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You're a shill. This argument is futile.

''It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it.''

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Many of your comments seem scripted. Tell me more about yourself.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Believe it or not, I only post during my free time. If I'm here, it means I'm still trying to catch up. There's a lot of news and books I like to follow.