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[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

So do we just pretend the Cold War never happened, and that the USA and USSR played a major hand in destabilizing several continents? You can't have it both ways. Do you want non-whites to stay in their own countries, but then chastise them for trying to do something? For example:

Its the same with Brazil. Brazil has 5-10 million Germans, some 20 million North Italians and some 3 million Japanese. When looking at raw numbers of high iq populations, Brazil has a high intellect fraction of at least 30 million. So by all rights, their intellectual output should be greater or at least equal to that of Scandinavia. Yet, the reality could not be more different.

Back in the 1960s, Brazil was in the process of building their own nukes, but guess who threw a hissy fit that it would get in the way of pushing a global agenda? America....

https://direct.mit.edu/jcws/article/22/2/58/95278/We-Are-Not-a-Nonproliferation-Agency-Henry

From the 1950s on, U.S. officials had worked to prevent Brazil from acquiring centrifuge technology and to delay the pace of indigenous know-how development.4 But only the shock of 1974 induced the U.S. govenrment act on the fear that the spread of dual technology to the developing world could have destabilizing effects for U.S. policy, even if the countries in question were reliable Cold War allies. Key U.S. officials set out to tighten controls and devise targeted nonproliferation measures, but their quest for a new set of policies designed to prevent the spread of nuclear technology found a powerful challenger in Kissinger, who responded by putting forward a proposal to accommodate Brazilian nuclear ambitions instead.

The rest of South American history as we know it was plagued with forced dictatorships and puppets that screwed them over to this day.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Condor

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Brazil was in the process of building their own nukes

That's hardly some great quantifier of national success. Pakistan has nukes as well, and Germany doesn't have nukes. Would any sane person say Pakistan is more functional than Germany?

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

No, but for other reasons that have to do with national sovereignty and development.

For example, compare Iran with other Middle Eastern neighbors like Iraq and Syria, and you can't fault them for wanting to build nukes too. Because a foreign power could choose to invade and thus destabilize them.

You also have to remember that Germany was always a NATO ally. There was never that fear in the back of German heads if they were going to go through another civil war again or lose out on aid from the most powerful country.

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Iran isn't threatened by Iraq or Syria. In fact they support Iran right now.