20 retired French generals sign open letter warning of incoming civil war

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[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Pretty much every military in Europe - including the French one - is a custodian of civic nationalism. They obviously hate the divisive woke garbage that's coming over from the US, but at the end of the day they're still our enemies. A military coup would be a disaster for us. Sure, they'll crush the woketards, but they'll also give our population a false sense of security. The military won't increase birth rates, and it sure as shit won't install remigration policies. Not on its own at least. Before that can happen the military hierarchy needs to be purged from all civic nationalists and replaced with identitarians. Never forget that it was the old conservative hierarchy in the German military that betrayed Hitler. The military has always been a reactionary force. We need revolutionaries in charge, not reactionaries.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

The military in Germany allowed Hitler to take power. Von Blommberg made the army swear an oath to Hitler even without Hitler asking it. He believed that Germany had to be a militarized society where young boys would be trained in the martial arts from childhood.

The whole male population would serve via conscription and due to the militarization of society they'd be half soldiers by the time they even entered traning. The military also supported Hitler's infrastructure and re-armament programs.

As for the ''betrayal'', they were right to do so. The German general staff were worried that Hitler would lead Germany into a disastrous war in Europe and they were right. But still they held their swords during 1939-1942 when it seemed Germany was winning.

However the war was lost after Stalingrad but Hitler refused to come to an honorable peace with the USSR, clinging to the delusion that he could ally with Britain and America against Soviet Communism.

They were completely patriotic and justified in trying to kill Hitler after 1942. The war was lost and continuing it meant simply ruining Europe and Germany as a whole. And they were right. Of the 8 million people Germany lost during the war, 6.5 million or more were lost after 1942, after Stalingrad.

Of the 50 million or so Europeans who died in WW2, nearly 40 million or more died after 1942. Treskow planted a bomb in Hitler's plane in early 1943. Had that successfully gone off then, Europe's population today might've been a 100 million greater.

Not to mention that the men killed in the fiercest fighting post-stalingrad were healthy men of strong moral character. What was left were the sickly and the cowardly.

This deification of Hitler is baffling when you consider that he caused the unnecessary deaths of more white people than any other regime in history.

And what for? Hitler himself understood that the war was lost post-Stalingrad. Yet, he continued the fight. And the result? Germany lost all the same, all of Eastern Europe cam under Stalin's occupation and Western Europe became an American colony. And Germans suffered a genocide.

Absolutely pointless.

Its even more worse when you consider the military aspect of the war and realize that Hitler's imbecilic decisions contributed greatly to Germany's defeat:

Besieging Stalingrad, not permitting Paulus to break out, delaying the 1943 offensive by 6 months, attacking a heavily defended position at Kursk, not leaving Central Russia and forming a more defensible line at the Dneiper, firing Manstein, delaying the Stg 44, delaying Me 262, wasting money on ineffective AA guns for political gain, not allowing Rommel to use the panzers to counterattack the allies on D-day. the Ardennes offensive...

People should have a nuanced view of Hitler. Yes he wasn't satan, but he sure as hell wasn't King Arthur

[–]TheJamesRocket[S] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

However the war was lost after Stalingrad but Hitler refused to come to an honorable peace with the USSR, clinging to the delusion that he could ally with Britain and America against Soviet Communism.

Its true. Stalin put out peace feelers, but Hitler rejected them. It was a bizarre decision. A rational observer could clearly see that he had failed in his bid to subdue the Soviet Union, and that continued fighting would only see the war turn against Germany.

Of the 50 million or so Europeans who died in WW2, nearly 40 million or more died after 1942.

Total European deaths from WW2 were around 42 to 44 million. The Soviet Union lost 25 million people. Germany lost 7 million. Poland lost 6 million. The bulk of the casualtys thus came from the Eastern front.

And remember, several million Jews died during the war. The Jews were concentrated in Poland, Belarus, and Ukraine. They aren't even white, so they should be subtracted from the European death toll. That brings it down to maybe 40 million or less.

Treskow planted a bomb in Hitler's plane in early 1943. Had that successfully gone off then, Europe's population today might've been a 100 million greater.

Well, the fighting on the Eastern front had already killed maybe 10 million people by that point. If Germany had made peace with the Soviets in early 1943, then that would probably spare the lives of about 20 million people. There would have been alot more Russians and Germans left alive.

Not to mention that the men killed in the fiercest fighting post-stalingrad were healthy men of strong moral character. What was left were the sickly and the cowardly.

You seem to be suggesting that mass deaths from the war contributed to Europes moral decline. But that doesn't hold water. Eastern Europe suffered far more deaths than Western Europe, and yet they retained their traditional values for much longer. Western Europe suffered relatively little during the war, but they were the ones who experienced a moral decline.

And what for? Hitler himself understood that the war was lost post-Stalingrad. Yet, he continued the fight. And the result? Germany lost all the same, all of Eastern Europe cam under Stalin's occupation and Western Europe became an American colony. And Germans suffered a genocide.

Hitler still held out a faint hope for victory even after the tide of the war had turned against him. He seemed to be under the impression that the British and Americans would come to their senses and abandon their Alliance with the Soviets. Hitler knew that they hated the Communistic USSR, and believed that their fear of a Soviet conquest of Europe would bring them around.